What's the double? And what do you do about it?
#22
Posted 2014-January-29, 17:34
So holding 4♥s and a reasonable hand I think it is obvious for North to double at the first turn.
#23
Posted 2014-January-29, 18:26
#24
Posted 2014-January-30, 02:26
#25
Posted 2014-January-30, 03:20
the_clown, on 2014-January-29, 17:34, said:
I was West at the other table in this teams match, and North did indeed double at his first turn. My partner passed as East (anyone for redouble?), South rebid 2C and that was the end of the auction.
#26
Posted 2014-January-30, 03:36
WellSpyder, on 2014-January-30, 03:20, said:
Yes, your pd has a perfect textbook redouble for me.
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#27
Posted 2014-January-30, 04:14
Jinksy, on 2014-January-29, 12:37, said:
This makes no sense to me. As it happened E had flipped, but on the diagram above, are you telling me you wouldn't bid 1S on W's hand? Then give E two of my Ss for the KS and a small D for eg, and N's (my) pass looks conservative but sane (if you disagree with can adjust a bit further to subtract a soft side-suit point or two from me), her 2S looks automatic, and my subsequent X still looks marked.
I would call it anything but automatic.
Anyway, maybe we all are expecting opponents similar to what we face and play against everyday in the area we live i guess. Perhaps i would agree to play this double as you play it if i was facing different type of opponents.I played in 3 different countries, 2 of them being European countries and 1 of them being USA. So far i have not faced opponents frequent enough to agree and spare this double for penalties..I also used to play A LOT online, my own observation remains the same.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#28
Posted 2014-January-30, 04:13
helene_t, on 2014-January-30, 02:26, said:
The problem is that partner will likely double holding any hand with short ♠ ending in a 4-3 fit quite often.
#29
Posted 2014-January-30, 04:42
the_clown, on 2014-January-30, 04:13, said:
True but if p has a 1345 with a small spade, hearts is probably as good as anything, and if p has a strong hand we can still get to 3NT. I admit that 3♥ could be too high. So double could certainly work better than pass. I used to double with these hands but have become influenced by AWM's idea that double should deny too much spade length. I am afraid that double could induce p to overcompete. But maybe I shouldn't worry, opps are not so likely to bid any more after all.
One the actual hand, 3♥ is a reasonable contract, but ok, so is defending 1♠X.
#30
Posted 2014-January-30, 05:20
mycroft, on 2014-January-29, 11:09, said:
We also play "the only pair that plays two-of-a-fit undoubled is us"; I'm expecting that partner would be happy to see me pass, but as this isn't a traditional OBAR BIDS situation, she could be stuck for a call that says "DSI,P, but don't pass".
I play that convention too
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#31
Posted 2014-January-30, 05:28
I'll don't mind the occasional Moyesian fit in what might be the best strain anyway. After 1C 1S P 2S / X P I have a decision, but I'll worry about that when it happens.
#32
Posted 2014-January-30, 05:31
WellSpyder, on 2014-January-30, 03:20, said:
I'd prob redouble opposite an opener with E's hand, but opposite a fav 1 level overcall it feels too much to me.
#33
Posted 2014-January-30, 06:44
Jinksy, on 2014-January-30, 05:31, said:
Does this XX not show something like Hx support?
#34
Posted 2014-January-30, 07:10
Zelandakh, on 2014-January-30, 06:44, said:
Oh. Well never mind if so. I'd have just taken it as analogous to an XX over an opening bid, which I play there as 10+, no fit, typically seeking penalties.