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#1 User is offline   mycroft 

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Posted 2012-November-21, 12:32

Boards 1 and 2 from last night were uncomfortable for me. Maybe I'm just missing something obvious, but I don't know a reasonable way to handle them. Better than just blasting, I mean.

You're playing a pretty standard 2/1 with all the usual gadgets in a decent club matchpoint game.



I can't figure out a way to bid this hand and keep all of spades, 6 and 3NT in the picture.

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Posted 2012-November-21, 12:55

When partner opens in a minor and the other-minor is overcalled, most require a Neg-DBL to be no worse than 4-3 in the majors while others require at least 4-4 ......

One alternative, which definitely not mainstream is:
DBL = guarantees 4 cards and says nothing about
2H = 4+
2S = 5+

So here using that treatment you could bid a Neg-DBL.
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Posted 2012-November-21, 12:56

If you can pass -- in tempo -- you have an additional option, 2x. Doubt I want to play 2 doubled with this hand however. I take from your uncertainty of how to continue, passing in tempo is not possible. I would start with a takeout double. If partner bids 2, I would settle for 3NT. If partner jumps to 3, our work will but cut out for us, 3NT risk missing slam, and bidding on will be somewhat problematic unless 4 is forcing. If partner jumps to 4, we will play 6.
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Posted 2012-November-21, 14:05

I don't think slam is very likely on this auction. I will choose the immediate 3NT. At matchpoints, I like the potential benefit of giving less information, which might get us a wrong lead, which might get us an overtrick, which might get us a near top anyway. Or maybe I just lack imagination.
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Posted 2012-November-21, 15:02

Looks simple to me, tbh.

I negative double.

If partner bids some number of hearts below game, I bid 3N.

I would not expect to have missed slam if all he can do is bid 2, and my 3N then announces some confidence, so he shouldn't worry about clubs too much.

Holding this sort of hand is fairly common and I think it usual to double provided that you can handle all reasonably forseeable auctions.

In a serious partnership, my partner is not permitted to jump to 4 without shape. My double doesn't promise both majors, but it does promise that I can handle a jump to game in my non-major, which implies a fit for diamonds. Thus when he jumps to 4, I can always correct to diamonds, natural non forcing. I would not bid slam because I hold no Aces.

With a gf hand lacking shape or a really good gf with shape, I expect him to cuebid 3 if available.

If he bids 3, invitational, I still give up on slam via 3N. I really don't like soft 4441 hands with wasted values and no Aces.

Btw, to me these sequences to 3N imply 4 spades.
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Posted 2012-November-21, 15:15

In a non-practiced partnership, the practical bid is 3NT, especially at matchpoints.

Otherwise, you have to take some sort of position immediately.

Passing and hoping for a reopening double could work if you can take 8 tricks. But that is a lot to hope for.

An immediate 3 call is the best way to explore for slam. It would clue partner in on the fact that you have game forcing values and a diamond fit. But you might lose a spade fit in the process and you might pass by 3NT looking for slam.

Mike's advocacy of a negative double makes a lot of sense, but it could be dangerous in a non-practiced partnership when you have a singleton in one of the majors.

All in all, 3NT seems like the practical bid.
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Posted 2012-November-21, 17:50

X is fine, IF you have the latter understanding with your partner, that you may really prefer anything to a heart contract. I would strongly recommend to make up the bids over 1 2 .
This is a horrible sequence, so better be prepared. Mikes idea- double shows (at least) two places to play, not just the majors has a lot merrits, so you should consider it.
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Posted 2012-November-22, 00:55

The south hand looks picture perfect for playing inverted minor raises, so that the raise to 2 shows the fit and a strong hand. After partner responds with the expected 2 or 2, I can bid my suit at the 2 level. My later 3NT call should give partner a very good view of my hand pattern and strength. If north does not move toward a slam, I would not worry about missing one.
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Posted 2012-November-22, 01:59

X and 3NT over Heart bids from partner.
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Posted 2012-November-22, 10:18

View Postsilvr bull, on 2012-November-22, 00:55, said:

The south hand looks picture perfect for playing inverted minor raises, so that the raise to 2 shows the fit and a strong hand. After partner responds with the expected 2 or 2, I can bid my suit at the 2 level. My later 3NT call should give partner a very good view of my hand pattern and strength. If north does not move toward a slam, I would not worry about missing one.


I agree that playing 2d inverted is better than playing it weak and forcing us to bid 3c
to show a limit + in dia (takes up too much space). We still have the benefit of searching
for a 44 major suit fit, slam exploration, 3n and we do not have to gimmick with neg x
which i think should promise at least 44 not 43 (why the 3 sheesh) in the majors.

The one downside of the "practical" 3n is that it is far too easy for 5d to be the right place
vs 3n since the opps have 8 hearts at a minimum and can easily hold more. It also seems
a shame we never let p in on our dia support which allows them to immediately reevaluate
the potential of their hand for dia contracts.
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