[Fluffy]

♠AKQ98xx
♥-
♦KJ9xx
♣A


all vul, second position

(pass)-1♠-(pass)-2♣
(double)-??

[Lord Molyb]

Pass might get the opponents into a -1100 scenario, redouble would probably show club support, 2 diamonds seems logical, 2 spades seems logical, 3 diamonds is not necessary, 3 spades is logical, 4 spades shows a weaker hand, 6 diamonds is insane, 6 spades risks missing 7.
I would probably start with 2 diamonds, and then rebid my spades. My partner probably has ♠x ♥AKxx ♦xx ♣KQJxxx or something similar. In this case it would seem that 6♣ is the best spot, but I'm not sure how I would get there...

[MrAce]

Assuming 2♣ was gf, then easy 3♠ for me to tell pd what our trump will be. If pd doesn't bid 4♦ i am really willing to stop in 4♠.

I mean pd may have something like

x AQxx Qx KQxxxx

xx AQx xx KQJxx


If pd bids 4♣ i may then consider offering a club slam perhaps, probably i would bid 4♥ over 4♣ and pass 4♠ and bid 6♣ over 5♦.

[ArtK78]

MrAce, on 2012-November-18, 11:20, said:

Assuming 2♣ was gf, then easy 3♠ for me to tell pd what our trump will be. If pd doesn't bid 4♦ i am really willing to stop in 4♠.

I mean pd may have something like

x AQxx Qx KQxxxx

xx AQx xx KQJxx


If pd bids 4♣ i may then consider offering a club slam perhaps, probably i would bid 4♥ over 4♣ and pass 4♠ and bid 6♣ over 5♦.

The problem with 3♠ setting trump is that you may not belong in spades. If partner does have KQJxxx of clubs or thereabout you may belong in clubs.

I would just bid 2♠ on my cards and await developments.

[mikeh]

We can't pass: LHO is bidding 2♥ and no matter what happens thereafter we have lost a tempo and left partner later wondering wtf is going on. It's not as if it seems humanly possible for this hand to pass and then sit when partner doubles their 2♥ bid. It might be right, but who could do it, when the opps have 9 or 10 trump at the 2-level?

We have a strong interest in spades and it behooves us to at least start communicating that to partner.

If 2♣ did not promise a rebid (and in NA it does, even if not gf), then I think we have to jump (one of many reasons why I don't like this style).

Assuming it promises a rebid, it suffices for now to bid 2♠. I am a spade short, or the spade J too weak, to bid 3♠, especially when there is a truly enormous risk that I am going to have a sh*tload of diamonds to dispose of and virtually no dummy entries/ruffs unless partner has some trump for me. As others have observed, our hand may play better in clubs, tho we run the risk of partner having similar issues re heart losers and entries.

This started as a huge hand, but has become worse, not better. However, partner's next move may make us perk up again.

[MrAce]

ArtK78, on 2012-November-18, 12:31, said:

The problem with 3♠ setting trump is that you may not belong in spades. If partner does have KQJxxx of clubs or thereabout you may belong in clubs.

I would just bid 2♠ on my cards and await developments.

Sorry, just in case pd may have KQJxxx ♣, is not a good excuse to not show that i have an AKQ98xx suit If he has he will show it. In fact he doesn't even have to show it, once we show we have the ace of clubs, he is also aware that his suit maybe better to play as trumps.

Everyone assumes that if we bid 2♠ we will bid the rest of the auction uncontested, you have a void hearts and one of them already mentioned he has hearts and diamonds, why do we think LHO will remain silent ?

mikeh, on 2012-November-18, 12:48, said:

Assuming it promises a rebid, it suffices for now to bid 2♠. I am a spade short, or the spade J too weak, to bid 3♠

In past topics, good players, very good ones in BBF, expressed that they would jump with suits like AKJT9xx AJTxxxxx and i thought i was timid to think that jump suit after 2/1 response should be better, now AKQ98xx is not enough to jump ? You are more picky than me for the suits you jump after 2/1 response MikeH

[ahydra]

17 HCP, a two loser hand, a solid suit, wants to be in SLAM opposite a 2-count. Surely this should be opened 2C?

How forcing is partner's 2C? E.g. if we bid 2D can it be passed? Intuitively I want to bid the smallest number of forcing diamonds and see what happens next, but perhaps forcing spades as trump is better eg with 3S.

ahydra

[Fluffy]

ahydra, on 2012-November-19, 05:56, said:

17 HCP, a two loser hand, a solid suit, wants to be in SLAM opposite a 2-count. Surely this should be opened 2C?

Only if everyone passes out 1♠. Otherwise with weak HCP count you gather more info on a 1♠ opening

-partner's 2♣ Bid shows more than a 3♣ bid over 2♣ opening, also gives you more space
-partner's 1NT response shows more than a 2♦ response, also gvies you more info after 3♦ rebid
-partner's direct spade raise (wich will happen on this concrete hand unless you rebid spades now) must have 3 cards wich means he can dispose at least 1 diamond ruff
-opponent's info is also meaningful on this case you even learnt about diamonds not breaking on 1 round of bidding thanks to staying low!

I said this before, 7-5 is no hand for description, its a hand for gather info and deciding.

[ahydra]

Fluffy, on 2012-November-19, 07:29, said:

Only if everyone passes out 1♠. Otherwise with weak HCP count you gather more info on a 1♠ opening

-partner's 2♣ Bid shows more than a 3♣ bid over 2♣ opening, also gives you more space

I feel 1S has too high a chance of being passed out. Suppose LHO has a flat 14 count and RHO a 5 count, for just one example. Indeed opps could have 11 and 10 HCP and partner has ♦Q and out, then you can make 6S, but everyone will pass.

Over a 2C opening, a 3C bid should show a little more info than a 2C over 1S: it should have a good six-card suit. Otherwise, I would expect partner to just bid 2D relay.

Your spades are so good I don't think it's worth exploring for a diamond contract here. So I would simply open 2C and set spades as trumps. For other 7-5s, this may not be the case, eg if the 7-card suit is headed by Q8 but the 5-carder is AKQJx - in which case your exploratory approach is perhaps better.

ahydra

[Fluffy]

ahydra, on 2012-November-19, 09:53, said:

I feel 1S has too high a chance of being passed out.

If too high means that you can constrct a lie out, then yes, it is too high, in no other sense it is too high

I won't fight about how much info a 2♣ response gives over a 3♣ response over 2♣. but the usefulness of knowing partner is strong, versus knowing he has a good suit over our shortness is in no way matched.

[lycier]

I bid 2♦ to save room so as to look for ♦ suit fit possible to decide how high we could have a final contract.

[Fluffy]

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This costed me -17 wich meant -3.74$ on bridgebig :/

[Fluffy]

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This costed me -17 wich meant -3.74$ on bridgebig :/

[Zelandakh]

You need to start getting hired by a better class of client Fluff!

[ahydra]

What was 6♥ intended as? (Of course, North shouldn't pass unless he thinks South holds about 17 cards - edit, 18, he needs 7S 6D 5H if he's bidding the suits in that order and they have a heart fit!).

ahydra

[Fluffy]

a hand worth slam obviously
a hand that might play more than 6♠ (otherwise bid 6♠)
a hand with something in hearts....

Zel this is not a client, its bridgebig (individual for money, trying to be like poker cash tables)

[Phil]

Where do you intend to hide all of your diamond losers? How do you plan on getting to dummy after drawing trump to cash clubs? This is an Indy? Are you even playing 2/1 with this partner?

6♥ is awful, and you should pay your partner's debt here

[Codo]

If Gonzalos 6 ♥ had taken his side to a non making grand, it had been awful.
But it was not here. It is impossible to pass 6 ♥ for anybody who has played for more then 6 month.

[Phil]

LOL I didnt see partner's 4!s bid.

Yet, you bid exclusion in an Indy?

[Vampyr]

Fluffy, on 2012-November-21, 06:58, said:

Zel this is not a client, its bridgebig (individual for money, trying to be like poker cash tables)

Giving decisions to an unknown partner in an individual is asking for trouble.