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6-6 first seat

Poll: 6-6 first seat (39 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. pass, for now (8 votes [20.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.51%

  2. 1S (28 votes [71.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 71.79%

  3. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. something else (I have a toy) (3 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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Posted 2011-December-05, 10:44



Matchpoints, nobody vulnerable. RHO deals and passes.

This hand came up last week in the local club game and my LHO, who held this hand, seemed completely flummoxed. I told her I would create a poll, so here you go.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 11:07

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Posted 2011-December-05, 11:39

... and this from the confirmed bridge nit! :P
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Posted 2011-December-05, 12:33

I'll risk a pass (assuming I have some way to show a two suiter later in the auction). It's just too easy seeing partner take us too high on a misfit (or even on a fitting hand!). Obviously, if I had a way to show a weak hand with both majors, I'd use that.
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Posted 2011-December-05, 21:40

Two boss suits. I hope to make a two-suited bid next. If I open, P will expect more defensive value, which could lead to a 'misjudgement' in the later bidding. Can Ekrens handle this hand?
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Posted 2011-December-05, 21:48

View Postwyman, on 2011-December-05, 11:39, said:

... and this from the confirmed bridge nit! :P


Can't let them onto my true range you know...
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Posted 2011-December-05, 23:44

Wow, with 3 weak 2s (i.e. no two suited opener), I'd open it 1S. However both my regular partnerships have a two suited opening (one is 4/4 in the majors and one is 5/5 in the majors) so I'd try those. A bit of a lie for the Ekrens 2D, but I think partner would forgive me for pretending this was a 5/5 max.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 00:43

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Can Ekrens handle this hand?

View PostCthulhu D, on 2011-December-05, 23:44, said:

A bit of a lie for the Ekrens 2D

So that's a 'no' then... :unsure:
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Posted 2011-December-06, 01:31

View PostCthulhu D, on 2011-December-05, 23:44, said:

Wow, with 3 weak 2s (i.e. no two suited opener), I'd open it 1S. However both my regular partnerships have a two suited opening (one is 4/4 in the majors and one is 5/5 in the majors) so I'd try those. A bit of a lie for the Ekrens 2D, but I think partner would forgive me for pretending this was a 5/5 max.


Pretending it is a maximum. This looks super maximum to me.

I would open 1. And bid strongly after that :)
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Posted 2011-December-06, 02:33

View PostCthulhu D, on 2011-December-05, 23:44, said:

Wow, with 3 weak 2s (i.e. no two suited opener), I'd open it 1S. However both my regular partnerships have a two suited opening (one is 4/4 in the majors and one is 5/5 in the majors) so I'd try those. A bit of a lie for the Ekrens 2D, but I think partner would forgive me for pretending this was a 5/5 max.

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Posted 2011-December-06, 06:20

Pass + drive all the way to the 4 level on your own seems a possibility. 1S should also work fine by ZAR arguments.

Both have pros and cons.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:54

:P 1
You have 8 HCP plus one point for the singleton and three points for the void. WTP?
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Posted 2011-December-06, 16:31

View Postgwnn, on 2011-December-06, 02:33, said:

I wouldn't :)


After thinking about it, I agree with you. Unless I can bid 5/5 or better in the majors, I'm bidding 1S. Ekrens is underselling my hand.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 04:31

Im perfectly happy passing with this.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 04:45

View Postdaveharty, on 2011-December-05, 10:44, said:



Matchpoints, nobody vulnerable. RHO deals and passes.


Hm, the thread title on which I imagine most people based their vote said "first seat".
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Posted 2011-December-07, 11:01

View Postgordontd, on 2011-December-07, 04:45, said:

Hm, the thread title on which I imagine most people based their vote said "first seat".

LOL yeah I saw that after posting, I meant to title it second seat of course. Since nobody had brought it up I have no idea if it would affect anyone's vote.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 14:17

I voted `toy', as I have a 3 opening that covers weak, 5+5+ majors, and I'm not likely to lose much by using it.

Without that, 1/1 according to style in limited opening system, pass in 11-20 system.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 14:24

View Postpiratepete, on 2011-December-07, 14:17, said:

I voted `toy', as I have a 3 opening that covers weak, 5+5+ majors, and I'm not likely to lose much by using it.

Without that, 1/1 according to style in limited opening system, pass in 11-20 system.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 16:06

View Postdaveharty, on 2011-December-07, 11:01, said:

LOL yeah I saw that after posting, I meant to title it second seat of course. Since nobody had brought it up I have no idea if it would affect anyone's vote.

I would open 1 in first seat and probably pass in second seat.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 05:29

Blue Team Club used an opening 2NT bid to show 5♥+5♠ with 8-12 HCP. I found it on Dan's website http://www.bridgewithdan.com/systems/ The continuation bidding allowed you to describe 6-5 or 5-6 holdings in the majors. BTC’s continuation bidding structure could easily accommodate showing a 6-6 holding in the majors as well e.g . After 2NT-3♣ (game force relay) opener can jump direct to 4♥ to show 6-6 in the majors.

The BTC continuation bidding structure is actually very effective. Some time ago I set up a "Teaching Table" and ran through quite a few random hands to test the effectiveness of the continuation bidding of BTC. Sure you get hands playing in a 5-2 fit at the 3-level but the results were seldom bad.
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