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Holding 1087632♠ A42♥ Void♦ AJ76♣, I passed in first seat and the bidding went as follows: P-P-1H-P-1S-P-1NT-P-3H-P-P-P. Since we play Drury, my question is, should partner have recognized that my hand has 6 bad Spades (a hand not suitable to a 2 Spade opening)? Would most experts assume that the 1 Spade bidder has about 10 pts, 6 bad Spades, and 3 Hearts for his bid? Partner's hand was QJ♠ J10986♥ KJ64♦ K8♣ and 4 Spades makes with 3 Hearts down one.
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Finding the Spade contract Bidding by a passed hand
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Posted 2011-November-19, 12:28
magassoc, on 2011-November-19, 12:12, said:
Holding 1087632♠ A42♥ Void♦ AJ76♣, I passed in first seat and the bidding went as follows: P-P-1H-P-1S-P-1NT-P-3H-P-P-P. Since we play Drury, my question is, should partner have recognized that my hand has 6 bad Spades (a hand not suitable to a 2 Spade opening)? Would most experts assume that the 1 Spade bidder has about 10 pts, 6 bad Spades, and 3 Hearts for his bid? Partner's hand was QJ♠ J10986♥ KJ64♦ K8♣ and 4 Spades makes with 3 Hearts down one.
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Easy 1♠ opener for me so I don't have this problem. 1♠-2♥-2♠-3♦-3♥-3♠-4♠.
Unsure about the Drury sequence as I don't play it.
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Posted 2011-November-19, 13:36
magassoc, on 2011-November-19, 12:12, said:
Since we play Drury, my question is, should partner have recognized that my hand has 6 bad Spades (a hand not suitable to a 2 Spade opening)?
I had not thought about this sequence until you brought it up.
I think you are right, but maybe a 3 ( or 4 ) card ♥limit raise with either a 5 or 6 card ♠- - and definitely a hand w/flaws that you normally would not open 1, 2 or 3♠.
But partner here, will still probably pass 3H - - wanting to protect his Kings on the opening lead.
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Posted 2011-November-20, 02:03
I am not sure 4♠ is an easy contract - especially if they start with AK♠....
About the auction - you may be right in principle, but i am not sure partner can deduce this at the tabe without prior discussion.
If you are playing checkbak or nmf by passed hand, then may be
1♥-1♠
1NT-2♣
2♦-3♥
should make partner think a bit longer....
About the auction - you may be right in principle, but i am not sure partner can deduce this at the tabe without prior discussion.
If you are playing checkbak or nmf by passed hand, then may be
1♥-1♠
1NT-2♣
2♦-3♥
should make partner think a bit longer....
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Posted 2011-November-26, 18:23
Yu18772, on 2011-November-20, 02:03, said:
I am not sure 4♠ is an easy contract - especially if they start with AK♠....
About the auction - you may be right in principle, but i am not sure partner can deduce this at the tabe without prior discussion.
If you are playing checkbak or nmf by passed hand, then may be
1♥-1♠
1NT-2♣
2♦-3♥
should make partner think a bit longer....
About the auction - you may be right in principle, but i am not sure partner can deduce this at the tabe without prior discussion.
If you are playing checkbak or nmf by passed hand, then may be
1♥-1♠
1NT-2♣
2♦-3♥
should make partner think a bit longer....
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Posted 2011-November-26, 18:28
using the LTC losing trick count--- open 1 spade and proceed
you have 3 losing spades-2 losing hts-none in diam's and 2 in cl.
against pards possible yarborough.therefore you will be rescued
by opps
if pard has a modicum,all is well.
i would not abuse the system and open 2 spades or 3 spades
you have 3 losing spades-2 losing hts-none in diam's and 2 in cl.
against pards possible yarborough.therefore you will be rescued
by opps
if pard has a modicum,all is well.i would not abuse the system and open 2 spades or 3 spades
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Posted 2011-November-30, 18:45
pirate22, on 2011-November-26, 18:28, said:
using the LTC losing trick count--- open 1 spade and proceed
you have 3 losing spades-2 losing hts-none in diam's and 2 in cl.
against pards possible yarborough.therefore you will be rescued
by opps if pard has a modicum,all is well.
i would not abuse the system and open 2 spades or 3 spades
you have 3 losing spades-2 losing hts-none in diam's and 2 in cl.
against pards possible yarborough.therefore you will be rescued
by opps
if pard has a modicum,all is well.i would not abuse the system and open 2 spades or 3 spades
Good suggestion. What do you bid after partner bids 2H(2 OVER 1 forcing to game)? One possible sequence 1S-2H-2S-3D-3H-3S-???
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Posted 2011-November-30, 18:49
Four Spades makes because the clubs are magic. If the opponents start with AKX of Spades you have to take the club finesse which wins and the spots are such that the 4th club is now high
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Posted 2011-December-01, 05:25
magassoc, on 2011-November-30, 18:49, said:
Four Spades makes because the clubs are magic. If the opponents start with AKX of Spades you have to take the club finesse which wins and the spots are such that the 4th club is now high
And how many hearts do you lose?
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Posted 2011-December-02, 17:30
Fluffy, on 2011-December-01, 05:25, said:
And how many hearts do you lose?
One Heart!
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Posted 2011-December-02, 18:19
For starters all the LTC books tell you DONT use LTC to decide to open a hand or not. This is a common miss use of LTC.
You only use LTC after you find a fit!
I open light and this is a borderline hand but I think I would pass with my hcp outside of spades.
the bidding might start:
p=1h
1s=2d( I mean diamonds are my best suit lets bid them)
2s?( with a void in d and no honors in s I might go slow?)
The opp with 20hcp might step into the bidding?
You only use LTC after you find a fit!
I open light and this is a borderline hand but I think I would pass with my hcp outside of spades.
the bidding might start:
p=1h
1s=2d( I mean diamonds are my best suit lets bid them)
2s?( with a void in d and no honors in s I might go slow?)
The opp with 20hcp might step into the bidding?
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