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high level decision 7 over 6?

Poll: Bid through this hand (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Agree with 5C?

  1. Yes (15 votes [100.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  2. No (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

What do you do now having bid 5C?

  1. Pass (11 votes [73.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  2. Double (4 votes [26.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  3. 7C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2011-August-01, 18:15



IMPs scoring, r/r. Spot cards are approximate.

Edit: bonus question, is Pass now forcing?
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Posted 2011-August-01, 21:09


manudude03 writes "IMPs scoring, r/r. Spot cards are approximate."


IMO Pass = 10, Double = 9, 7♣ = 5.
It's not clear who's sacrificing against whom. But you've got a trick more than you promised.

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Posted 2011-August-01, 22:11

FWIW, I usually get these wrong.

Agree with 5♣, I vote for X as you've got more defence than you've shown
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Posted 2011-August-02, 01:11

View Postmanudude03, on 2011-August-01, 18:15, said:



IMPs scoring, r/r. Spot cards are approximate.

People overcaling vulnerable 2cl (or even majors) with 7+ losers hand.What is the range of 2cl overcal? Is 2h forcing? Are there 50 points in package ?
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Posted 2011-August-02, 06:52

2C is generally 10-16, 2H is forcing.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 06:40

:blink: I am not sure, but since I preempted and they had a strong auction ours is not the classic "voluntarily bid game" most people cite as the basis for making my pass forcing.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 10:39

I pass. I don't feel confidence in my judgement in such auctions, though.

View Postmanudude03, on 2011-August-01, 18:15, said:

Edit: bonus question, is Pass now forcing?


I have a strong opinion about this one, at least: no.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 16:28

At the colours, I think pass is forcing.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 16:39

I would pass, unless I am playing with the Lone Ranger, who may feel that he has a right to bid 7♣.

I don't think they are making...partner has at least one card outside of clubs, and our short diamonds suggest that declarer may be losing a trick there.

One could argue that I dhould therefore double, but if I am wrong, and the other side defends undoubled, I have lost 6 imps, with no redouble, while if I am right, I have gained 3 imps. I don't like those odds. And if at the other table our teammates defend some number of clubs, or miss slam, then whether they go plus or not, the upside from double is probably very low indeed if we beat it one trick.

In short, the opps have made the last guess....and good opps tend to bid slam here as a 2-way shot....maybe it will make and maybe, when it doesn't, the opps save.

As to the bonus question, my first reaction is that surely the question is itself a joke. I don't see what part of this auction suggested that this was a forcing situation.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 17:53

i'll double it. partner might have been planning to bid on if we can't act.

1 defensive trick is almost 1 more than p is going to be expecting from a 5♣ bid. he surely won't place us with 2 tricks.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 18:16

In a moment of madness, I bid 7C :P. It was working out rather well until partner carved up the play (though its a good beginner problem), full hands and play below (approximate, can't find hand records):



Yes East bid 5H on a balanced minimum with 3 card support....
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Posted 2011-August-04, 18:29

I either pass or double, whichever is least encouraging (i.e. dbl in standard methods).

Nah what are you smoking Wayne, pass forcing?
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Posted 2011-August-05, 04:10

I assumed pass wasn't forcing, Nige's reply got me thinking.... I didn't add the other question until I had 3 or 4 replies.
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