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Reverse drury

Poll: Having the agreement "reverse drury" with no further discussion, P P 1S P 2C... (104 member(s) have cast votes)

Having the agreement "reverse drury" with no further discussion, P P 1S P 2C...

  1. Denies a spade fit (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. May or may not have a spade fit (1 votes [0.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.96%

  3. Usually has a spade fit but there is at least one exception (5 votes [4.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.81%

  4. Promises a spade fit (98 votes [94.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.23%

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#1 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:04

Just checking, ty all.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:05

wtf ?
Did you find some propbet donk to bet against and he requested a panel ?
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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:19

easy with the "d" word when it comes to fellow posters :)

anyway, this will definitely be unanimous.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:38

gwnn, on Aug 9 2010, 01:19 PM, said:

easy with the "d" word when it comes to fellow posters :)

anyway, this will definitely be unanimous.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:46

Not unanimous. No bid ever promises anything.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 12:48

kenrexford, on Aug 9 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

Not unanimous. No bid ever promises anything.

Sure it can, I think you are mixing up "promises" with "guarantees". You can break a promise.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 13:03

You can, but you shouldn't. I prefer "shows".
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Posted 2010-August-09, 13:31

jdonn, on Aug 9 2010, 01:48 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Aug 9 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

Not unanimous.  No bid ever promises anything.

Sure it can, I think you are mixing up "promises" with "guarantees". You can break a promise.

I'd rather break a guarantee than a promise. A guarantee is putting my money where my mouth is. If I break that, I pay up. If I break a promise, however, the "backing" is my word. So, I never promise, but I might guarantee.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 13:47

The heart of the matter. "No bid ever promises anything" is ken rexford style only and should not necessarily be assumed to apply in general.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:06

blackshoe, on Aug 9 2010, 03:03 PM, said:

You can, but you shouldn't. I prefer "shows".

Agreed.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:22

JDonn, if you went over/under 90% it's amazingly close...
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:27

If anyone votes there is an exception I am also interested to hear what it is. So far all I have is a disagreement with saying "promise".
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:33

jdonn, on Aug 9 2010, 04:27 PM, said:

If anyone votes there is an exception I am also interested to hear what it is. So far all I have is a disagreement with saying "promise".

I don't like the word "promises", but it definitely shows a spade fit, so I voted accordingly...
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:57

The obvious exception: when I forgot we play Drury. Having an agreement, and remembering it are two separate subjects.
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Posted 2010-August-09, 14:59

Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support. Not sure when that would happen, but I like options.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 02:57

The "reverse" in "reverse Drury" is only about the responses 2♦/M to 2♣. So it still promisses a fit (although you can psych).
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Posted 2010-August-10, 03:17

Forgetting or psyching isn't an exception to the agreement. Actually I am more interested in an explanation of the difference between 'promises', 'shows' and 'guarantees'.
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Posted 2010-August-10, 08:01

kenrexford, on Aug 9 2010, 01:59 PM, said:

Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support.  Not sure when that would happen, but I like options.

If you're going to focus on options, I much prefer to give the unpassed opener the option to bid 4M directly over 2♣, thus disclosing nothing extra to the defense, or the option to open light and not have to worry about playing 2M with a potential misfit, rather than to give the passed hand the option to completely destroy his partner's ability to judge both strain and level.

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Posted 2010-August-10, 08:08

kenrexford, on Aug 9 2010, 09:59 PM, said:

Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support.  Not sure when that would happen, but I like options.

Why on Earth would anyone psyche Drury? In the hope that next time you use it they think it's a psyche again so the don't sac?
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Posted 2010-August-10, 09:31

nigel_k, on Aug 10 2010, 04:17 AM, said:

Forgetting or psyching isn't an exception to the agreement. Actually I am more interested in an explanation of the difference between 'promises', 'shows' and 'guarantees'.

I didn't think about it when I posted the problem, I probably should have said "shows". But it's clear to me guarantees is the strongest, then promises, then shows.
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