[bid_em_up]

rduran1216, on Aug 12 2010, 12:52 PM, said:

bid_em_up, on Aug 12 2010, 11:25 AM, said:

Was there a point to this thread?

Passing is horrendous.  There is no other way of putting it.

How?

give partner:

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at these colors putting up 500 or 200 will probably be good, and with the spade lead coming I'm gonna have options to find the right defense.

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just sharing a hand from the previous day, but this isn't the first time I've found success in a pass with a spot like this, only at these colors would it even be considered, and yes I can get a fat zero perhaps a majority of the time, but feelings about hands shouldn't be ignored.

For every hand you give, I could give 100 more where passing doesn't work. What you apparently do not appreciate is that bridge is a partnership game and you have a duty to your partner to continue to describe your hand (2♠ is about as easy a call as you will ever get). To pass here is taking a unilateral position based on "insert more bs here" that may or may not work. It is 100% losing bridge, regardless of the actual result on this hand.

However, feel free to do as you wish. Just don't expect me to agree with your bs.

[peachy]

rduran1216, on Aug 12 2010, 01:47 AM, said:

my logic at the table was

1) partner doesn't have 3 spades
2) partner doesn't have 5 hearts
3) partner has K of clubs, shortness in spades, and with a heart card, South is going down 2 red.

Some of these were table feel, some were implied. The interesting question is how to find 6+ tricks if they're there.

Tell us more about the table feel.

The other reasons you state, are invalid and lacking bridge logic.

[bucky]

rduran1216, on Aug 12 2010, 01:55 PM, said:

just sharing a hand from the previous day, but this isn't the first time I've found success in a pass with a spot like this, only at these colors would it even be considered, and yes I can get a fat zero perhaps a majority of the time, but feelings about hands shouldn't be ignored.

Bridge is a percentage game. Making a bad call doesn't mean it will work out 0% of the time, and a good call wouldn't work 100% either. If you agree that you will likely get bottom for a majority of the time, then by definition PASS is a bad call, even though you are able to construct hands where it leads to success.

[eyhung]

Personally, I don't understand why everyone is earnestly trying to teach Aaron what's right since he's clearly not interested in others' feedback -- he didn't even post this on the BI forum where I'd give him some leeway. I'm reminded of the timeless advice about not trying to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

From a Machiavellian perspective, maybe we should let him carry on in his misguided beliefs so that we can get some good scores playing against him. I already know enough not to ever want to partner him, that's good enough for me.

[billw55]

Sorry in advance for the necro. I found this from a link in a more recent thread.

The situation here is, IMO, the single biggest obstacle to learning bridge: mixed feedback. It regularly happens that correct actions fail, and wrong actions work. This provides reinforcement in the wrong direction. If it happens a few times in succession (which inevitably it will), the psychological effect can be difficult to overcome.

This is exactly why the forums are good for learning: they provide an opportunity to unlearn the nonsense that might not be unlearned at the table for quite some time. Of course, you have to be willing to listen for it to work.

[MFA]

billw55, on Sep 7 2010, 10:58 PM, said:

The situation here is, IMO, the single biggest obstacle to learning bridge: mixed feedback. It regularly happens that correct actions fail, and wrong actions work. This provides reinforcement in the wrong direction. If it happens a few times in succession (which inevitably it will), the psychological effect can be difficult to overcome.

Result merchants will never get really good at this game for sure.