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Posted 2010-March-25, 10:31

if partner has ♠Axxx, and at most 2 hearts for his double, we already have 6♠+ 2 heart ruffs in dummy for 8 tricks
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Posted 2010-March-25, 10:34

Fluffy, on Mar 25 2010, 09:31 AM, said:

if partner has ♠Axxx, and at most 2 hearts for his double, we already have 6♠+ 2 heart ruffs in dummy for 8 tricks

until RHO overruffs, that is, with his stiff/xx
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Posted 2010-March-25, 10:38

xxxx in ♥ is the worst feature of this hand, and it's not even close.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:02

The double by North is so obvious to most. I look at it differently.

1) North really can't pass.
2) Double not only has less than ideal shape, but also does not have 4 spades to compensate.
3) 1NT shows the size and shape, with one little flaw --which a transfer to hearts or a later cue can uncover if necessary.

And, as luck would have it, the NT overcall would keep us out of the spade game and rest us in a partial.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:04

Double not only has less than ideal shape, it also lacks four spades, and on top of that it is too long in hearts, additionally it doesn't even have two four card minors. For these 17 reasons I think double is wrong. B)
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:07

jdonn, on Mar 25 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

Double not only has less than ideal shape, it also lacks four spades, and on top of that it is too long in hearts, additionally it doesn't even have two four card minors. For these 17 reasons I think double is wrong.  B)

Confusion...slowly dawning...Ahhh, now I get it, those were all the same reason(s), but restated in several different ways...I hope? I need someone to put sarcasm font on these things...
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:15

CSGibson, on Mar 25 2010, 11:07 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 25 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

Double not only has less than ideal shape, it also lacks four spades, and on top of that it is too long in hearts, additionally it doesn't even have two four card minors. For these 17 reasons I think double is wrong.  B)

Confusion...slowly dawning...Ahhh, now I get it, those were all the same reason(s), but restated in several different ways...I hope? I need someone to put sarcasm font on these things...

actually, no. They are three separate things. Josh is not beyond Joshing, but this is not one of those times.
"Ideal"=4-1-4-4, hence less than ideal.
"4-X-X-X" would be less than ideal but still have four of the focus Major.
Having JXX of hearts is a true third flaw.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:30

That's like saying if my proper healthy weight is 160 pounds and I really weigh 190 pounds then there are 3 problems with my weight. That I'm over the ideal weight of 160, and I'm not even under 170 to be close, and that I'm all the way to 190 which is even worse.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 11:32

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Posted 2010-March-25, 12:22

aguahombre, on Mar 25 2010, 10:15 AM, said:

CSGibson, on Mar 25 2010, 11:07 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 25 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

Double not only has less than ideal shape, it also lacks four spades, and on top of that it is too long in hearts, additionally it doesn't even have two four card minors. For these 17 reasons I think double is wrong.  <_<

Confusion...slowly dawning...Ahhh, now I get it, those were all the same reason(s), but restated in several different ways...I hope? I need someone to put sarcasm font on these things...

actually, no. They are three separate things. Josh is not beyond Joshing, but this is not one of those times.
"Ideal"=4-1-4-4, hence less than ideal.
"4-X-X-X" would be less than ideal but still have four of the focus Major.
Having JXX of hearts is a true third flaw.

To be fair, I cheated in my analysis of whether Josh was using sarcasm by looking at his earlier thoughts on this problem, when he clearly said that he thought X was best. My 2nd grade teacher would appreciate my use of context clues in reading comprehension.
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Posted 2010-March-25, 17:24

No, Gibson, you were right. I made the mistake of thinking he changed his mind and supporting that change.
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Posted 2010-March-26, 03:13

Josh < - > change his mind

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Posted 2010-March-26, 07:02

hanp, on Mar 26 2010, 04:13 AM, said:

Josh < - > change his mind

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non sequitur?
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Posted 2010-March-26, 09:33

hanp, on Mar 26 2010, 04:13 AM, said:

Josh < - > change his mind

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Wow so false! I'm hurt...

Gwnn please find 10 times I changed my mind :)
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