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#1 User is offline   Alexcl 

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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:10

Scoring: MP

Opps from passland.

Playing a fairly simple 2/1.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:12

I would bid : 1S-1NT - 2D - 4D - 4S - 5D.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:13

Maybe 3D is better than 4D actually ... but I am junior :)
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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:24

1♠ 1NT
2♠ P

Alternative, I guess, being
1♠ 1NT
2♦ 3♦
P
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:26

1S (1) - 1NT (2)
2S (3) - All Pass

(1) systemic, but you could argue to open this
hand with 4S
(2) forcing
(3) 2D is certainly a option, but one has
a 7 card suit, and usually it is better to
play the 7-? fit than a possible 4-4 fit
I doubt I would think about 3S for more
than a secod.

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Posted 2009-July-28, 09:27

For me: 1♠ - 1NT - 4♠

I don't see how to find out if pard has working cards or not. I don't want to get left in 2♦. This may even turn out to be a good save against 4♥.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 11:09

1♠ [p] 1NT [p]
2♠ [p] P [p]
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Posted 2009-July-28, 11:15

1♠-1NT-4♠

I really dislike 2♠ and 2♦ rebids.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 14:38

How about

4♠ all out.

After 1♠ a 2♠ rebid seems inadequate but a higher rebid seems like a stretch with an ace-less hand just based on the 7th spade.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 17:06

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 12:15 PM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠

I really dislike 2♠ and 2♦ rebids.

Agree. Suggesting diamonds as trump is pretty awful.

I don't hate a 2♠ rebid, but I think its pretty chicken. The hand is all wrong for 3♠, and its wrong for a 4♠ opening.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 17:11

For me it's flawed for several actions, so I rate it:

1♠ then 4♠ 9
Open 4♠ 8
1♠ then 3♠ 6
1♠ then 2♦ 5
1♠ then 2♠ 3
1♠ then 3♦ 1
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Posted 2009-July-28, 18:17

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠


I like this
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Posted 2009-July-28, 18:46

jillybean, on Jul 29 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠


I like this

I hate it.

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.
Wayne Burrows

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Posted 2009-July-28, 18:55

Cascade, on Jul 28 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

jillybean, on Jul 29 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠


I like this

I hate it.

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

AKQJxx
void
AKQx
xxx

1♠:1N
3♦

Ok 1♠ 1N 4♠ could be too much
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Posted 2009-July-28, 19:36

Opening 4♠ wouldn't be an option for me given some of the hands I preempt with. It's just too good.

I would bid 1♠-1NT-3♠ then it's a guess for responder whether to bid the fourth. But I don't know much about 2/1 so if there is any difference in the spade rebids compared to after a limited 1NT response, I'd appreciate if someone can comment on that.
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Posted 2009-July-28, 19:37

I would open 4S. I really dislike a 1S-2D continuation. With 7S!!!! Really?
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Posted 2009-July-29, 02:11

Cascade, on Jul 29 2009, 02:46 AM, said:

jillybean, on Jul 29 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠


I like this

I hate it.

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

I thought it was 'standard' that 1♠-1NT-4♠ is showing long ♠ and 11-14 pts?
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Posted 2009-July-29, 02:24

Personally I either try to invlove partner in the decision process
to play 4S, or I decide not to do so, and this decision I make with
my opening bid, this means either I open 4S direct, or I open 1S
followed by rebidding 2S.

Opening 1S, followed by 4S is just changing horses in the middle
of the race.

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Posted 2009-July-29, 02:33

Cascade, on Jul 29 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

jillybean, on Jul 29 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 28 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

1♠-1NT-4♠


I like this

I hate it.

If you bid this way with this hand how do you bid when you have 18-20 HCP and six spades.

Gazzilli :)

1M-1NT-4M is a minimum opener with long M, I think this is standard. Otherwise just jump in a new suit and get back to 4M, or open 2♣.
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Posted 2009-July-29, 04:29

I doubt you mean this Frederick; there are many 7 carders which you would not bid game on after a 1NT response.
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