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Posted 2009-April-29, 02:07

Playing against decent opponents you hold as dealer:
Scoring: MP


The auction starts:
pass - pass - 1 - 1NT
2! - 3NT - ...4 - 5
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You always play decent openings, even in 3rd seat. You decided to bid 2 to show an invitational hand with fit. Partner tanked before bidding 4.

What do you think of the auction? What do you do now?
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Posted 2009-April-29, 02:30

I would double. I have around two defensive tricks and I am on lead, so partner won'T spoil them with his lead.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 02:34

In my opinion, the hand is good enough to bid 4 over 1NT.

As it went, it looks like pard has an offensive hand with goodish hearts. It looks like opps guessed wrong, so dbl.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 02:40

5, far from certain to be right, but so is everything else.

Would never have bid 2 on the previous round. If 4 is available as FJ thats it, if not 4.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 05:56

5H for sure.

This hand was crying out for a 3 fit jump or 4 fit jump if you play that....
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Posted 2009-April-29, 06:21

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

It looks like opps guessed wrong

Why?
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Posted 2009-April-29, 07:05

wclass___, on Apr 29 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

It looks like opps guessed wrong

Why?

Because we have a bunch of hcps and they're at the 5 level.

Unless LHO's 3NT was for the minors or stuff, I think they're going down.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 07:14

Definitely 5, it doesn't take much from partner to be correct. Axx AKQxx xxx xx which is a questionable 4 bid would work. I think that a double is very pessimistic. At MPs I think 5 will gain most often or at least get us an average. Pass looks good, but partner will have trouble bidding 5 on many hands that it will make.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 07:29

mtvesuvius, on Apr 29 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

Definitely 5, it doesn't take much from partner to be correct. Axx AKQxx xxx xx which is a questionable 4 bid would work. I think that a double is very pessimistic. At MPs I think 5 will gain most often or at least get us an average. Pass looks good, but partner will have trouble bidding 5 on many hands that it will make.

Of course rho could be kidding with a fake 1 Nt call.
But in any other case, partners hand is less pure.

So partners had seem to be shapely, maybe a two suiter.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 07:49

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 08:05 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 29 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

It looks like opps guessed wrong

Why?

Because we have a bunch of hcps and they're at the 5 level.

Unless LHO's 3NT was for the minors or stuff, I think they're going down.

I doun't like when someone states HCP as a reason (especially in A&E section)
Same with dogmatical reasosn about 5th level
There are no rules in this game.. only guidlines

Anyway, for the fact to be true you need also 4 to be down.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 07:59

wclass___, on Apr 29 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

I doun't like when someone states HCP as a reason (especially in A&E section)
Same with dogmatical reasosn about 5th level
There are no rules in this game.. only guidlines

Anyway, for the fact to be true you need also 4 to be down.

Well, and I don't like your attitude.

Anyway, I don't need 4 to go down. I need 5 to go down.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 09:31

wclass___, on Apr 29 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 08:05 AM, said:

wclass___, on Apr 29 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

It looks like opps guessed wrong

Why?

Because we have a bunch of hcps and they're at the 5 level.

Unless LHO's 3NT was for the minors or stuff, I think they're going down.

I doun't like when someone states HCP as a reason (especially in A&E section)
Same with dogmatical reasosn about 5th level
There are no rules in this game.. only guidlines

Anyway, for the fact to be true you need also 4 to be down.

Don't be so harsh. There's a lot of advanced players who thinks that way.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 09:42

Doesn't anyone else think that there is something very strange going on?

LHO will be an honest person here.. 3N makes no sense otherwise. Partner didn't pscyhe... with a weak hand and enough heart length to make it worth saving in 4, he would have preempted. RHO is not bidding his partner's suit.. he can't know we have long clubs so he can't know that his partner has long diamonds.

So RHO probably made a comic 1N overcall, with a 7 or even 8 card diamond suit.

I wish I had made a 3 fit jump last time.. then I could pass. But I didn't, maybe because I didn't have that club in the bag.

I am going to bid 5, resorting to the adage of when in doubt bid one more... and I am surely in doubt.

If rho bid on long diamonds and a heart stopper, I rate to be unhappy, altho maybe then partner loses no spades. If rho was purely comic, then 5 is (I think) a favourite to make, and I think that on such a layout, we may be only +300 against 5
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Posted 2009-April-29, 09:57

Rho was obviously psyching and I'm glad to finally see it realized. Not only his strange 5 bid but what would 3NT be on if not clubs and diamonds and hearts? 5 for me. I'm glad he didn't simply overcall 5 directly, after which I would have bid 5 but been a lot less confident it was right.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 10:17

As I said, there would have been no guess had we bid

1 1NT 4
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Posted 2009-April-29, 10:27

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

As I said, there would have been no guess had we bid

1 1NT 4

I try not to splinter in an AKQxx suit... partners so often mis-evaluate :)
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Posted 2009-April-29, 10:39

mikeh, on Apr 29 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

As I said, there would have been no guess had we bid

1 1NT 4

I try not to splinter in an AKQxx suit... partners so often mis-evaluate :)

That would be a fit jump.

We are building a partnership and didn't discuss this sequence. That's why 2 was chosen instead of 3 or 4... :)
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Posted 2009-April-29, 10:40

Indeed. Thing is, it was a fit bid :)
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Posted 2009-April-29, 10:52

5 seems like the best bet for me.
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Posted 2009-April-29, 11:08

whereagles, on Apr 29 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

Anyway, I don't need 4 to go down. I need 5 to go down.

Sorry, but i doun't get what you mean.
How is LHO's decision to bid 5(guessed wrong) connected with assumption that 5 goes down?
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