[TylerE]

Scoring: MP

(P) - P - (1♦)(1) - P
(1♥) - P - (1NT)(2) - 2♣
(p) - p - (2♦) - p
(2♥) - p - (p) - ?

(1) - Precision style, 1+ ♦
(2) - 13-15 Bal/Semibal

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[TimG]

I'm not crazy about passing 1D and then coming in over 1N -- seems like an invitation to the opponents to get things right.

No, I don't think I balance now. Partner had a chance to hit 2H, bid spades, or support clubs and chose not to do any of those things. I'll go quietly and hope the bad trump break is enough to go plus.

[cherdano]

I would overcall 2♣ over 1♦. Sure it is dangerous (very!), but it also has a lot of upside, especially against an ill-defined opening.
Now pass seems clear. Partner should know we have a fine hand with clubs and diamonds, but couldn't double 2♥ with his likely 5 trumps.

[Fluffy]

Agree with Tim and Arend

[maggieb]

Obvious 2C overcall, now I abstain.

[mtvesuvius]

So far it's been unanimous... A BBF first!!

I also join the club (Pun Intended)... I am a 2♣ bidder and a passer, wtp?

[mikeh]

I am not joining the bandwagon... 2♣ on K10xxx at imps, equal vulnerability... yes, of course it may work, but I think it shows evidence of a death wish

Personally, I wouldn't get involved on this hand at all..... I think that passing initially is correct, and then I think that bidding 2♣ is insane... LHO is unlimited and gets essentially a free shot should his hand warrant a double... if I were going to move over 1N (and I would need a non-heart J to do so) it would be double... short hearts, opening hand... I'd like to have 4 spades, of course, since it is not a pure penalty double.

BTW, I am an advocate of stretching to bid 2♣ over their 1♦, but when you do it on a 5 card suit, it has to be a GOOD 5 card suit.

[655321]

Agree with maggieb.

BTW, although I would always overcall 2♣ even at imps with this hand, the original post says MP.

[jdonn]

mikeh, on Dec 24 2008, 02:42 PM, said:

I am not joining the bandwagon... 2♣ on K10xxx at imps, equal vulnerability... yes, of course it may work, but I think it shows evidence of a death wish

Personally, I wouldn't get involved on this hand at all..... I think that passing initially is correct, and then I think that bidding 2♣ is insane... LHO is unlimited and gets essentially a free shot should his hand warrant a double... if I were going to move over 1N (and I would need a non-heart J to do so) it would be double... short hearts, opening hand... I'd like to have 4 spades, of course, since it is not a pure penalty double.

This stolen from another thread Mike but I can't help myself:

mikeh, on Dec 24 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

Since when did we start judging our choice of calls based solely or largely on the possibility that we might get a bad result

BTW, how is LHO unlimited?

Anyway, now from the current thread.

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BTW, I am an advocate of stretching to bid 2♣ over their 1♦, but when you do it on a 5 card suit, it has to be a GOOD 5 card suit.

So in other words, you are not an advocate of stretching to bid 2♣ over their 1♦ even though you say you are one. You are simply an advocate of hoping you hold a good enough hand for 2♣ over 1♦ when you have the opportunity.

[gnasher]

I dislike 2♣ either immediately or over 1NT. This isn't a one-suiter in clubs or a two-suiter in the minors: it's a three-suiter with short hearts, so I pass 1♦ and then double 1NT for takeout.

[TimG]

TimG, on Dec 24 2008, 10:53 AM, said:

I'm not crazy about passing 1D and then coming in over 1N -- seems like an invitation to the opponents to get things right.

I'm not advocating for an initial 2C -- I just think passing and then bidding 2C is sort of crazy.

[TylerE]

Btw, if anyone smells a director call in this, you'd be right. I'll post the details in a few days.

[TimG]

TylerE, on Dec 24 2008, 11:52 PM, said:

Btw, if anyone smells a director call in this, you'd be right. I'll post the details in a few days.

A slow pass of 2H?

[TylerE]

More than that...N asked several questions about the various bids (after 2♥), and the hand shown bid 3♣, which made when N hits with Axxxx of hearts and Jx clubs and diamond shortness. We actually got about an average on the board... scores were:

NS +150 (3N-3)
NS +150 (2N-3)
NS +110 (3C=)
NS +100 (2H-2)
NS +50 (2H-1)

[gwnn]

pass is a LA at the very, very least

[paulhar]

mikeh, on Dec 24 2008, 02:42 PM, said:

I am not joining the bandwagon... 2♣ on K10xxx at imps, equal vulnerability... yes, of course it may work, but I think it shows evidence of a death wish

A deathwish at IMP; winning bridge at MP. How comfortable do you think the auction is going to be for responder after an "undefined" 1D followed by a 2C overcall? So the 2C overcaller goes for a number once in a while. This is more than made up for by the awkward auction that the opening side is going to conduct on a lot of hands.

BTW, sometimes when opener repoens with a double and the responder passes with decent clubs, I'll MAKE 2Cx because the good clubs I'm supposed to have are in partner's hand!

The more likely way for me to get hammered is after a negative double and the 1D opener has five clubs (not all that uncommon in Precision, especially if the 2C bid is specific about distribtuion) but a successful runout to 2D (!) might save me in that situation.

[foo]

mikeh's attitude is far from crazy on this. I don't like competing with a suit as bad as that of the OP hand at IMPs either.

But I also agree with the posters who have said that if you are going to compete with it, you do at the 1st opportunity.

(1D)-2C with this hand is a lot less dangerous than balancing in ♣'s. It also has the advantage of putting pressure on Them before responder has had a chance to communicate.

Balancing with 3C on this hand after They have had a nice quiet auction to figure out what assets They have is much more suicidal than making a Direct Overcall of
2C.

[benlessard]

I dont like 2 level overcall with bad suit but here its MP and you wont get rich defending 1Nt/2M. Since passing all the way seems bad youll need to bid clubs and its better to do it on the first round.

[the hog]

Agree with Fluffy.