[ArcLight]

IMPS. all white.
pard opens 1♦, rho passes, what do you bid with:
♠K 9 x x
♥ T x x x
♦J 9 8 7
♣ J

Do you pass?
Bid 1H?
Bid 1S?
Other?


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My response (hidden)

Spoiler

With 4-4 in the majors, a stiff club and support for pards first suit, I bid 1♥, planning to support ♠ or bid 2♦ over 1NT

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The bidding goes (opps silent)
1♦ - 1♥
2♠ - ??


What does 2♠ mean [Jumpshift or Reverse]
How strong a hand, what does pard hold?

What do you bid?
4♣ splinter?
4♠ signoff?
3♠ - stronger than a sign off, has something on the side?
Other?

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How do you rate my bid (hidden)

Spoiler

Maybe I was too aggressive and bid 4C (a splinter). I assumed 2S was a jump shift (GF) with 19+ HCP with 4S and 5D. A hand not suitable for 2C or a tad weaker. I had reasonable support for D and the trump K, and a stiff J.

Please rate my 4C bid.
How do youy rate 4♠

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Pard is a en experienced player, and an expert card player. (Flight A regional winner)
He said the 2♠ was a Reverse and that a Jump Shift would be a 3♠ bid. I am certain he is incorrect, but I'd like your opinion.

Pards hand:

♠ A Q x
♥ A Q 9
♦A T x x x
♣ A 9

Whats wrong with opening 2NT instead of 1♦ followed by 2♠?


We ended up in this unfortunate aution:
1D - 1H
2S* - 4C* (2S = jump shift?!?! 4C = splinter)
4D - 4S
4NT - 5C (one key card)
5NT* 6S (%NT - a grand slam try? In what strain, spades?!?! 6NT maybe ...

Results 6S -2, should have been down 3

[jdonn]

3 things are obvious:

(1) You should respond to the opening bid.
(2) You should raise 2♠ to 3♠.
(3) Mike's definition of a flight A regional event winner as sufficient criterion for expert status is as bad as I thought. Apparently it might not be good enough for intermediate status.

[nick_s]

jdonn is 100% correct.

I must be playing in the wrong regionals

[mike777]

I hope this guy is not an "open/top bracket" regional winner.

[han]

1D followed by 2S is very poor. Your 1H was normal but your 4C bid was far too much.

[hrothgar]

Hannie, on Dec 16 2007, 03:58 AM, said:

1D followed by 2S is very poor. Your 1H was normal but your 4C bid was far too much.

what he said

[kgr]

jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 02:40 AM, said:

3 things are obvious:

(1) You should respond to the opening bid.
(2) You should raise 2♠ to 3♠.
(3) Mike's definition of a flight A regional event winner as sufficient criterion for expert status is as bad as I thought. Apparently it might not be good enough for intermediate status.

Is 3♠ not showing a better hand then 4♠?

[jdonn]

kgr, on Dec 15 2007, 08:34 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 02:40 AM, said:

3 things are obvious:

(1) You should respond to the opening bid.
(2) You should raise 2♠ to 3♠.
(3) Mike's definition of a flight A regional event winner as sufficient criterion for expert status is as bad as I thought. Apparently it might not be good enough for intermediate status.

Is 3♠ not showing a better hand then 4♠?

I don't think I've ever bid 4♠ on this auction in my entire life, and I probably never will. Nor do I miss it.

[benlessard]

2S is a jump shift not a reverse but like all JS or reverse it could easily be bid on a 3 carder. So all bids that show fit & are bypassing 3Nt are showing D fit not a S fit.

However i dont think you are strong enough for a splinter so I just bid 4S (showing 4S+ D fit ).3S is also possible if you want to keep 3nt in the picture.

I dont really your partner decision not to open 2Nt. But i have no problem with his 2S and after 4C your partner made the correct bids.

1D---1H----2S-----4C
4D (D cue)-----4S(s Cue)
4Nt---------now you have to show 0 keycard since its D are trumps.

You partner 5Nt was a gross overbid since you dont have a H cue. The grand is at best on a H finesse.

Offshape reverse and jump shift is a big source of confusion.

[neilkaz]

hrothgar, on Dec 15 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

Hannie, on Dec 16 2007, 03:58 AM, said:

1D followed by 2S is very poor. Your 1H was normal but your 4C bid was far too much.

what he said

Complete agreement with these two gentlemen.

PD has an obvious 2NT opening to me.

I would respond 1♥ but would never splinter 4♣ with only 4 useful HCP.

For me the jump shift to 2♠ is GF as taught in basic SAYC and basic 2/1, but you don't hold enough to flash the slam signal with a splinter.

[lexlogan]

ArcLight, on Dec 16 2007, 12:25 AM, said:

The bidding goes  (opps silent)
1♦ - 1♥
2♠ - ??


What does 2♠ mean  [Jumpshift or Reverse]
How strong a hand, what does pard hold?


Pard is a en experienced player, and an expert card player.  (Flight A regional winner)
He said the 2♠ was a Reverse and that a Jump Shift would be a 3♠ bid.  I am certain he is incorrect, but I'd like your opinion.

1♦-1♥-3♠ would be a splinter, for essentially anyone who's ever heard of splinters. 2♠ is a jump shift, forcing to game. A hand not quite strong enough to jump can just rebid 1♠, which responder should not be eager to pass -- responder should always find a second bid with 8+ hcp, often less. There's no such thing as a "reverse" into spades after 1♦-1♥, but many players misapply the term reverse to a jump shift, and are confused about the required strength.

[P_Marlowe]

1H.

Playing with a stranger, you should
bid according to the book, and the
book bid is 1H.

This will give you the best chance to
hear, what partner holds.

The jumps shift is forcing to game, and
shows ta least 5-4.
I would say,you should bid 4S, this should
show a dead min, which you have, ... ok
you have a double fit, but you are min with
regards to HCP, and besides fits you need also
high cards to win tricks.

And partner has a 2NT opener, again a book bid,
which will lead to 3 NT.


With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

I fail to see the eagerness of jumpshifting into a 3 card spade suit.
Why make bridge so hard.

Just try and make easy nonproblem bids for partner and improve/win with our declarer and defensive play.

[Fluffy]

pass 1♦ is completelly normal. Just a matter of style.

2♠ is natural and game forcing, jump shift, even if you play 1♠ non forcing.

Bidding anything but 4♠ after 2♠ is a a gross mistake asking for trouble.

[kenrexford]

Partner did have a problem for his opening bid. Many would open it 2NT, but I'm not sure that this is right. I could be convinced that opening 2♣ and then rebidding 2NT is right -- the hand might be too strong for 2NT. LOL

[ArtK78]

I find it interesting that many posters would never consider a 4♠ bid over 2♠ on this auction. I think it is automatic.

A jump shift into a minor suit could be invented on this auction, but a jump shift into spades must be real.

I would never consider any bid other than 4♠ over 2♠.

Opener bid a balanced hand like an unbalanced hand. Reminds me of a hand a partner of mine bid in a GNT finals some years ago where he bid all 4 suits. He put down the dummy after asking if he had to. He was 4333. On the auction, I thought he was 4444.

[han]

mike777, on Dec 16 2007, 08:53 AM, said:

I fail to see the eagerness of jumpshifting into a 3 card spade suit.
Why make bridge so hard.

Just try and make easy nonproblem bids for partner and improve/win with our declarer and defensive play.

Agree Mike. And as you know, making the simple normal bids also tends to win except at the very highest levels.

[whereagles]

Normal 1♥ response and 4♠ rebid, wtp?

[finally17]

whereagles, on Dec 16 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

Normal 1♥ response and 4♠ rebid, wtp?

Don't see one.

[Stephen Tu]

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A jump shift into a minor suit could be invented on this auction, but a jump shift into spades must be real.

Why can't opener have some 3271 or 3361 type moose not quite strong enough for 2c opener? Using this sequence instead of just opening 2nt on the actual hand is of course sick, but it's not hard to construct hands where opener has 3 only spades.

I don't see any advantage to jumping to 4♠ vs. just bidding 3♠ then signing off/passing after partner clarifies. Opener has a limited hand, there is no slam likely, so responder shouldn't splinter or chew up massive amounts of space, just give opener room so you know whether you want to be in 4♠/5♦/3NT.