[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ 8732 ♥ 85 ♦ Q5 ♣ AJT84

West North East South

 -     1♥    1♠    ?
  

Your bid

[Mbodell]

I'd pass. I can then bid 2♥ later if we have a slow part score battle or bid 2♣ if it is passed around to partner who reopens with a dbl or let the opponents try to play with half the points if they bid higher in spades.

[whereagles]

1NT for me.

[helene_t]

Pass, nothing else is possible. And with four trumps, I'm happy to pass. If 1♠ is passed out, opps are in the wrong partscore.

[skjaeran]

No bid. (Btw, pass isn't a bid... ).

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Oct 28 2007, 09:00 AM, said:

Whereagles, I know you like making bad bids on purpose, but you should not impose them on the beginner forum (or at least preface it by saying "this is a bad bid but I am whereagles and do stuff like this for no reason"). Would you honestly advise a beginner to bid 1N with no explanation of the bid? I think you do a terrible disservice to the beginners/intermediates of the forum when you do stuff like this, even ken rexford doesn't do this with his weird ideas.

I'm not having you accusing me of being dishonest. Go back where you came from and learn some manners.

If you wanna discuss the subject seriously, be a man and apologize.

[whereagles]

Seems I expected too much from a stuck-up like you...

[han]

Normal pass.

[pclayton]

Pass is clear.

[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ 8732 ♥ 85 ♦ Q5 ♣ AJT84

West North East South

 -     1♥    1♠    Pass
 2♦    Pass  2♠    
  

Still a pass?

[helene_t]

Yes, still a pass. Dbl would be penalty.

[skjaeran]

Partner couldn't act over 2♦ and opps haven't found a fit. No reason to act now.

[jillybean]

delete, wrong hand

[helene_t]

[delete, wrong hand]

[whereagles]

jillybean2, on Oct 28 2007, 08:17 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ 8732 ♥ 85 ♦ Q5 ♣ AJT84

West  North East  South

 -     1♥    1♠    Pass
 2♦    Pass  2♠    
  

Still a pass?

See, had one bid 1NT before, one could now pass without a qualm.

As it is, it's another guess, at a much worse situation than before.

[FrancesHinden]

jillybean2, on Oct 28 2007, 08:25 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ 8732 ♥ 85 ♦ Q5 ♣ AJT84

West North East South

 -     1♥    1♠    ?
  

Your bid

Justin has explained why pass is right.
Just to reinforce this, here is my list of possible actions in order of preference:

1. Pass. Not a suitable hand to act on, looking at long spades. If you pass, the next hand passes and partner reopens with a double you have an easy 3C bid. Two of the reasons to act on the first round are i) you won't be able to describe your hand when partner reopens and ii) you have spade shortage so partner won't be able to act. Neither of these apply here.

If you took away all my green cards, the alternatives in my order of preference are:

2. Double. Not great off only qx on diamonds, but if opponents stop bidding you will get away with it. Partner might rebid 1NT, which is likely the right spot (played by partner), or 2H, or even 2C and if partner bids 2D we can give preference to 2H, sounding like a 3-2-3-5 which is not so far from our hand. I have no strong objection to double here, particularly if it were love all at matchpoints (which it isn't).

3. 2C. Light on values, but it's where we live and we may get away with it. Again, we can pass a 2H rebid, give preference to 2H over 2D. The only real problem is that partner might get carried away with a decent hand.

4. 2H. Right on values, one heart light. I don't really believe in this type of raise (particularly without a heart honour) but it's my fourth choice.

5. 1NT is just wrong. It has virtually no upside and totally misdescribes the hand. If we are making 3NT it is far more likely to be need to be played by partner (just imagine Kx in his hand) and he is entitled to raise 1NT to 3NT on, say, x AKQxxx Axx Kxx and we just look silly.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Pass, but it is merely a matter of partnership agreements.

If you require a stopper for 1NT, which is standard, you
have to pass.
If it is just a call showing some strength, say 6-10, than
1 NT is fine, but this is non standard.

I used to play it that way and it did work, but at this time
I was playing Acol with a weak NT and as opener we used
to show our shape, so I had some protection, if partner passed,
he was most of the time bal., meaning he did hold a strong NT
in his hand.
... and the quality of our opponents was also questionable.

Playing a strong NT opener, you dont have this kind of protection,
so I wont recommend it.

But there is one small benefit: B/I players need a long time until
they learn to reopen as opener with shortage in the opponents suit
on min. values, quite often opener passes, and you may find it easier
to find your partscore, if you bid 1 NT with the given hand in the
given sequence.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Oct 28 2007, 03:17 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ 8732 ♥ 85 ♦ Q5 ♣ AJT84

West  North East  South

 -     1♥    1♠    Pass
 2♦    Pass  2♠    
  

Still a pass?

Yes, you are dead.

But most of the time nothing terrible will have happened.

Partner wont have a good 6 card suit, else he would have
bid it, and he wont have add. values with 4 clubs, he could
have doubled, ... a double of 2D should still be mainly for
takeout, but who knows.

So most of the time, you wont have a fit, and this makes
the 3 level a terrible place to be.

As it is, the value of oyur hand decreased, because of the
2D bid by the opponents, pass and see what develops.

With kind regards
Marlowe