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Posted 2007-May-09, 06:56
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Posted 2007-May-09, 07:42
Yes.
(assuming I'm sitting opposite myself - 3♠ 2nd seat V/NV should promise a nice hand)
(assuming I'm sitting opposite myself - 3♠ 2nd seat V/NV should promise a nice hand)
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 07:44
Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass.
Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣.
Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 07:53
sure, why not?
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Posted 2007-May-09, 08:00
Well we do have 2,5 cover cards. I don't think that's enough, even at these colors and seat.
But there's no way I'm missing out on a vuln game!!! 4♠ it is...
But there's no way I'm missing out on a vuln game!!! 4♠ it is...
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Posted 2007-May-09, 08:07
Like most of the players, I would bid 4[S] in my sleep and expect to make.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 09:14
inquiry, on May 9 2007, 09:44 AM, said:
Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass.
Slam? Lol. I would obviously boost it to 4 though.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 12:42
Its a guess.
Give pard ♠AK-7th. We have 9 off the top with the ♣A well placed. To get 10, we need a little help. Pard may have it or he might not, but you bid your games and apologize if you go down.
Give pard ♠AK-7th. We have 9 off the top with the ♣A well placed. To get 10, we need a little help. Pard may have it or he might not, but you bid your games and apologize if you go down.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 12:53
inquiry, on May 9 2007, 01:44 PM, said:
Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass.
Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣.
Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣.
This is not serious, you are not thinking in slam!!
4♠ is ok. If you win slam in this hand is because partner have to open 1♠
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Posted 2007-May-09, 13:16
This is not so clear at all, it would really depend on who my partner was. I wouldn't be so shocked if pass was the long term winner opposite partners who are not inquiry 
I would probably kick it in opposite sound partners though.
I would probably kick it in opposite sound partners though.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 13:36
Opposite Ben, this is a GSF. Otherwise, I would just bid 4♠ - I am sure there are players opposite whom passing is right, but I wouldn't know this about any of my occasional partners.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 14:01
Where's mike777 to partner Ben: to expect a play for 9 tricks in his own hand for 3♠???? Wow, what would a 4♠ opening bid show?
I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled
BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid.
I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled
BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 14:04
No votes for 3N?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 14:07
mikeh, on May 9 2007, 03:01 PM, said:
Where's mike777 to partner Ben: to expect a play for 9 tricks in his own hand for 3♠???? Wow, what would a 4♠ opening bid show?
I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled
BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid.
I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled
BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid.
Well before all of you rip me a new one, let me remind you.
1- This is imps, not matchpoints
2- We are 2nd seat not first
3- We are vulnerable and they are not
I expect to be no more than one down under these circumstances for a "preempt". If you don't play SOUND PREEMPTS at this type of contest under these conditions then you never will.
And for the record, I am know for preempting in as few as four card suits under other conditions. Richard got very angry at me once for a four card preempt with him (not vul versus vul at matchpoints). Normally I usually have at least five cards at those condtions.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 14:22
Hi,
yes, being red vs. green, partner promises
at most -2, I have 2 sure tricks (Queen of spade
and the Ace) and a fair chances for a 3rd (king of
clubs).
With kind regards
Marlowe
yes, being red vs. green, partner promises
at most -2, I have 2 sure tricks (Queen of spade
and the Ace) and a fair chances for a 3rd (king of
clubs).
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-May-09, 15:32
inquiry, on May 9 2007, 08:07 PM, said:
If you don't play SOUND PREEMPTS at this type of contest under these conditions then you never will.
bingo! I never will!!
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Posted 2007-May-09, 15:36
yes
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Posted 2007-May-09, 17:29
4♠, I think.
Ben, could you give us an example of a 9-trick hand that would open 3S?
Ben, could you give us an example of a 9-trick hand that would open 3S?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 18:20
For those who might pass, the auction proceeds double-pass-4♥ back to you. Stick or twist?
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Posted 2007-May-10, 06:33
Scoring: IMP
I passed 3♠, LHO doubled and RHO bid 4♥, which drifted one off with only 8 tricks available in spades. Glad to see my actions had some support!
I passed 3♠, LHO doubled and RHO bid 4♥, which drifted one off with only 8 tricks available in spades. Glad to see my actions had some support!
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