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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2006-November-22, 19:05



Do you open this...

1st position ?

2nd position ?

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Posted 2006-November-22, 19:23

Beaner,

I open this hand. Both majors, values, best to get in there and tell pard where you're at.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 19:28

what does anyone think of opening this 1NT ?
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Posted 2006-November-22, 19:39

When one decides to bid one must have a a reasonable rebid on most awkward response by Partner.Here I would bid 1♦ and after the 2♣ response bid 2♦.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 19:48

A perfect hand for strong pass systems, especially Regres!

1♣ = 8-12HcP, Any hand with shortness
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Posted 2006-November-22, 20:12

Yes I do, but there's many that wouldn't.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 20:15

For me it would depend on whether all those xxxx were 234's or 8910's.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 20:46

I would open 1D.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 20:55

Winstonm, on Nov 22 2006, 08:15 PM, said:

For me it would depend on whether all those xxxx were 234's or 8910's.

We agree..since things can be quite uncomfortable if the response is 2♣..
I'd want a couple 10's and 9's here to round things out and minimize the chance of a double disaster if we run into a 4-1 split in game.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 21:06

From memory, these are your 9s and 10s:



And yes, the reply was 2♣ :)

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Posted 2006-November-22, 21:46

I would open Katherine, but you have to choose your opening bid carefully to avoid rebid problems. Playing a 4 card M system open 1H and rebid 2D. Playing a 5 card M system either pass or open 1D and rebid 2D - not ideal, but there it is....
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Posted 2006-November-22, 21:58

jikl, on Nov 22 2006, 10:06 PM, said:

From memory, these are your 9s and 10s:

Dealer: ?????
Vul: ????
Scoring: Unknown
♠ 10xxx
♥ AJ9x
♦ AQxx
♣ x
 


And yes, the reply was 2♣ :)

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Close, but for me if it is close I tend to pass - an opening hand would look like this in my book:

1097x
AJ10x
AQ98
x

Then, if I did get trapped by the 2C bid, I'd rebid 2N as least of evils.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 22:55

csdenmark, on Nov 23 2006, 01:48 AM, said:

A perfect hand for strong pass systems, especially Regres!

1♣ = 8-12HcP, Any hand with shortness

What a totally worthless comment for the BIL forum!

To answer your question JB, I am happy to open 1♦ or to pass. I would probably open 1♦ so I can raise partner's 1M response to 2 and would bid 2♦ over 2♣. What tips the scales for me is that a diamond lead would be welcomed if we get outgunned in the auction.
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Posted 2006-November-22, 23:32


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     Pass  1♦
 Pass  2♣    Pass  2♦
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

I did open, holding both 4card majors passing didnt cross my mind, hoping to play in a major or 1nt - whats this 2♣!
I rebid 2♦ not wanting to encourage any more bidding. 2♦ made, but so did 3nt.

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Posted 2006-November-23, 00:07

I would open. Rather than get bent out defening the choice, I just defer to ZAR 26 zar points, with spades you only "need 25". I alos like 4441 distributions.

I open 1!D.

The hand your partner had is not worth a 2!C bid, I think a simple 1NT (balanced hand, around 10 hcp, no four card major) is just about right, and should end the auction.

A second point, even if 2♣ is not game force, I think it does promise a second bid if game is not reached, ... and it is my believe the second bid can not be a pass.
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Posted 2006-November-23, 00:12

Hi everyone

Playing standard methods, this is not nearly an opening bid in my style.

Pass and double for takeout 'if' the other side bids clubs. If partner opens, bid your suits 'up the line.'

Doesn't rebidding diamonds supposed to show 5/6 diamonds in standard methods?

If these two hands make 3NT. A lot of good things happened. Picture the result when a couple of hooks are 'offsides.' You really do not want to bid these kinds of hand to 3NT(except when you are vul. at IMPs.)

Has North seen you open an 11HCP hand before and rebid your 4 card diamond suit? I do not understand the pass of 2Ds 'if' the hand was worthy of a 2C reply.

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Posted 2006-November-23, 01:25

inquiry, on Nov 23 2006, 01:07 AM, said:

The hand your partner had is not worth a 2!C bid, I think a simple 1NT (balanced hand, around 10 hcp, no four card major) is just about right, and should end the auction.

A second point, even if 2♣ is not game force, I think it does promise a second bid if game is not reached, ... and it is my believe the second bid can not be a pass.

Completely agree (almost always) what Ben says here.
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Posted 2006-November-23, 02:12

3-suiters are always a bit of a headache to describe (in most systems, and it's OK as they are like ~4% if i recall well). Given the awkwardness the (most probable) 2♣ response leads me to pass. I think pass would be my bid even with the Jack of spades.

with 13 nice points we have to open and 1d and 2d are the (partly inelegant) bids. After 2d if pd bids a 4c M I have to raise and they'll think I'm 5-4. Sigh.

edit: on a sidenote, your p is certainly not worth his 2c bid. Doubleton queens are NOT what will give us tricks or anything. His hand is just ugly, let alone the fact that it's anemic in HCP.
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Posted 2006-November-23, 02:24

No.

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Posted 2006-November-23, 02:32

I'm in the Pass camp - barely.

I use Zars but I want 27. Yeah we have ♠s but barely.

4441s look nice but are often troublesome, especially to bid; there's rarely a bid that's quite right unless you play funny systems.

1 more Ten and I'm in. There's a good chance I may have something to say later.
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