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#1 User is offline   luke warm 

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Posted 2006-January-06, 21:35

Scoring: IMP

P - 1H - P - 1S
P - 2D - P - 5H
P - your bid


interested in knowing what the standard (if it exists) meaning of 5H is... the bidding was at the other table, not ours
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Posted 2006-January-06, 21:57

exclusion :)
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Posted 2006-January-06, 22:31

luke warm, on Jan 6 2006, 10:35 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P - 1H - P - 1S
P - 2D - P - 5H
P - your bid


interested in knowing what the standard (if it exists) meaning of 5H is... the bidding was at the other table, not ours

I would guess asking for second round club control.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 22:37

Jlall, on Jan 6 2006, 10:57 PM, said:

exclusion :)

And here I thought a pro would always recognize a splinter bid. :P

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P.S. If this isn't about club control then Houston, we have a problem.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 00:29

I don't have a clue what 5♥ means. I'll add a 6th... Mostly because I'll be playing it.. lol.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 04:13

I think partner invites for slam, but I have a minimum with only 1 ace, so I pass.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 04:31

It's a grand slam invite for me.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 05:05

Hi,

asking for trump quality, I pass.

But what ever it shall mean, if I get it wrong
and partner complains, I shoot him.
He has lots of room to get all the information
he needs, why did they invent in the 50's / 60's
or 40's of the last century a convention called
4th suit forcing?

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2006-January-07, 06:47

the slam makes and they bid it ... i would have passed, because i also thought it asked about trumps... it never entered my mind that it asked about clubs, that's interesting..
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Posted 2006-January-07, 07:28

luke warm, on Jan 7 2006, 04:35 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P - 1H - P - 1S
P - 2D - P - 5H
P - your bid


interested in knowing what the standard (if it exists) meaning of 5H is... the bidding was at the other table, not ours

To ME it says "P if you have the 2 TOP honours in ♥ bid 7!"

SO I PASS and hope like h*** that we make it :)

IMHO if partner has SUCH a strong hand there MUST be better ways to bid it than bidding this way !! as ALL I have shown is 5♥ and 4♦ and LESS than 16+ points -- P has a better way (surely) of forcing to game???

FOR EXAMPLE
1. FSF -- which I think is game force even in SAYC!
2. If playing 2/1 either 1NT (forcing) over 1♥ or 2 SOMETHING -- forcing to GAME :P
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Posted 2006-January-07, 08:52

Yes, imo it asks to bid 7 with 2 tophonours. I have only one, so you should bid the small slam...

If the slam goes down, I'll blame it on ridiculous bidding from p.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 08:59

luke warm, on Jan 7 2006, 07:47 AM, said:

the slam makes and they bid it ... i  would have passed, because i also thought it asked about trumps... it never entered my mind that it asked about clubs, that's interesting..

This jump to 5 with an unbid suit has historically meant: bid 6 if you have second round control of the unbid suit.

To ask about hearts, the auction would have gone something like:
1H-1S
2D-3C
3D-5H

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Posted 2006-January-07, 09:02

Free, on Jan 7 2006, 09:52 AM, said:

Yes, imo it asks to bid 7 with 2 tophonours.  I have only one, so you should bid the small slam...

If the slam goes down, I'll blame it on ridiculous bidding from p.

Mainstream take here is that 5N is the grand slam force, asking partner to bid seven with two of the top three honors. 5H asks specifically about control of the unbid suit.

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Posted 2006-January-07, 11:03

The only unbid suit is C so it asks for a C control.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 11:20

Asks about clubs.

Pass denies a control. 6♥ shows a stiff. 5N shows the guarded K, 6♣ shows the Ace.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 12:22

well that is good to know and explains a lot.. thx guys
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Posted 2006-January-07, 19:09

Winstonm, on Jan 7 2006, 10:02 AM, said:

Mainstream take here is that 5N is the grand slam force, asking partner to bid seven with two of the top three honors. 5H asks specifically about control of the unbid suit.

Winston

Agree with Winston.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 19:28

HeartA, on Jan 7 2006, 08:09 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Jan 7 2006, 10:02 AM, said:

Mainstream take here is that 5N is the grand slam force, asking partner to bid seven with two of the top three honors.  5H asks specifically about control of the unbid suit.

Winston

Agree with Winston.

Wait a minute, if 5N is a GSF why is the suit hearts? Why not diamonds, the last bid suit by pard?
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Posted 2006-January-07, 20:41

Jlall, on Jan 7 2006, 08:28 PM, said:

HeartA, on Jan 7 2006, 08:09 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Jan 7 2006, 10:02 AM, said:

Mainstream take here is that 5N is the grand slam force, asking partner to bid seven with two of the top three honors.  5H asks specifically about control of the unbid suit.

Winston

Agree with Winston.

Wait a minute, if 5N is a GSF why is the suit hearts? Why not diamonds, the last bid suit by pard?

Right....like dealing with an attorney...if you don't dot the each i and cross each t... :P

Generically speaking, the jump to 5N is GSF for an agreed upon suit - better?

Besides, what do you know....you thought it was exclusion. :D

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Posted 2006-January-07, 21:01

pclayton, on Jan 7 2006, 09:20 AM, said:

Asks about clubs.

Pass denies a control. 6♥ shows a stiff. 5N shows the guarded K, 6♣ shows the Ace.

More to the point. I suppose 5♠ and 6♦ ALSO promise the A♣ (or void).

5♠ should be the Ace. 6♦ = last train? Or the Ace? Hmmm......
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