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what does 5H mean to you?

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Posted 2006-January-08, 00:24

Winstonm, on Jan 7 2006, 09:41 PM, said:

Besides, what do you know....you thought it was exclusion. :P

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Heck yeah it's exlcusion. If partner needed a club control he could bid 4SF then set trumps then cuebid (or something along those lines). Thus 5H is exclusion, diamond fit, heart void, etc. He has KQJxx --- AKQxx KQJ. Nice bid pard.
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Posted 2006-January-08, 00:25

kerbi, on Jan 7 2006, 05:31 AM, said:

It's a grand slam invite for me.

I am curious about why, If P wanted to find out about heart honors as per grand slam invite, then why not first establish a fit in hearts and then rkc or something else instead of making such an ambiguous bid? BTW, Justin's case for EKCB make sense (I hope he didn't make this case with tongue in cheek), especially under the default agreement that strange bids or unexpected 4NT bids when there hasn't been an agreed upon fit, that partner assume the last naturally bid suit as trumps for the purpose of making his/her next bid. Don't know if that makes any sense to anyone else. Not sure that I would make this bid without prior discussion, tho.

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Posted 2006-January-08, 06:25

Double !, on Jan 8 2006, 06:25 AM, said:

kerbi, on Jan 7 2006, 05:31 AM, said:

It's a grand slam invite for me.

I am curious about why, If P wanted to find out about heart honors as per grand slam invite, then why not first establish a fit in hearts and then rkc or something else instead of making such an ambiguous bid? BTW, Justin's case for EKCB make sense (I hope he didn't make this case with tongue in cheek), especially under the default agreement that strange bids or unexpected 4NT bids when there hasn't been an agreed upon fit, that partner assume the last naturally bid suit as trumps for the purpose of making his/her next bid. Don't know if that makes any sense to anyone else. Not sure that I would make this bid without prior discussion, tho.

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I'm with you, this doesn't make much sense, I dunno what I would want to show, but I would never bid this way at the table.
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Posted 2006-January-08, 07:16

pclayton, on Jan 7 2006, 01:20 PM, said:

Asks about clubs.

Pass denies a control. 6 shows a stiff. 5N shows the guarded K, 6 shows the Ace.

Seems to me I read this once a long time ago but had totally forgotten it. When I read it just now, I was thinking about the counter-argument that the information could be gained by going more slowly in the auction, such as starting with FSF. However, I now realize the benefit of this treatment is that it removes as much as possible the opponents' ability the make lead directing doubles and the like.
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