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Weaker 6-5 club-heart hand After partner opens 1NT

#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2006-January-06, 07:08

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You are South and partner opens 1NT (15-17) in 4th position, opposition amazingly silent

In another thread we are seeing how to bid a strong 5-6, so what about a weak one?

Pickup partnership in a team game, only agreement is "sayc, partner". Your move or plan?

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Posted 2006-January-06, 07:47

1NT-2S in SAYC is weak and forces 3C, which is pass or correct to 3D.

I wouldn't trust a pickup pd to know this, so I would transfer to hearts.

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Posted 2006-January-06, 08:03

Seems to me that your choice is the known 5-2+ fit at the 2 level or the known 6-2+ fit at the 3 level. I know which one I would choose......
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Posted 2006-January-06, 08:03

I use ETM victory method over 1NT, which works wonders on this hand.

The method includes, 2 as a transfer to 2 with three kind of hands:
  • Those hands with five hearts like any normal jacoby.
  • Any balanced game try with or without four plus hearts (but not four spades)
  • A hand with four (or five) hearts and long minor (weak or strong)

So here I would bid 2. Over 2, partner with less than 4 will bid 2. I will then bid 2 which is either a "range check" game try or shows clubs (partner bids 2NT or 3 depending upon his stregth). I will signoff in 3. If partner shows 4+ over 2, we will be in at least 3 and in all likelyhood, 4 if he shows any signs of life (he can show minimum or max with his non-2 rebids).

For more on this method, see.... http://www.bridgematters.com/onent.htm

BTW, I have a full FD file on these methods over 1NT.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 08:04

As an aside, when RHO takes a bid showing D and a major, do you like your hand more or less?
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Posted 2006-January-06, 08:39

I'd probably transfer to hearts in the hope that partner can super-accept.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 09:01

I think I'd transfer to 's at any form of scoring. Transferring to clubs or deciding to take 2 calls (unless pard superaccepts) is taking a view IMO.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 09:24

transfer to hearts and pass.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 11:29

Given the constraints of the methods, transferring to . If partner super-accepts, then game is easy (to bid, and probably to make).

I would do this even if I had a transfer to available, because we are playing imps. I see no plausible way to bid a good game (as opposed to taking a shot) if I started with a transfer to .

At matchpoints or BAM, I would be concerned that 3 might score 130 against 110 (or going down on a bad day) in hearts and that transferring to and passing might allow the opps to get together in : so two ways to lose by transferring to , with 2 ways to win (140 against 130 or 110, and game on some hands) so it would be a tougher decision.
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Posted 2006-January-06, 11:34

I quite like the idea of opps finding a spade fit, as long as they don't do it too quickly - might let me get both my suits in :)
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Posted 2006-January-06, 11:35

The nice thing about transferring to hearts and checking out is we have an easy 3 compete over their 2 balance too.
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Posted 2006-January-07, 08:53

Partner held


4 should make (even with the 4-0 break) and 3NT should fail (with the J wrong).

I bid an invitational 3 and the defence let 3NT make, but, with a bit more time to think, I now believe the transfer to hearts is probably better.

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Posted 2006-January-08, 06:31

I would trransfer to 3 and pass
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Posted 2006-January-08, 10:37

trf and pass
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Posted 2006-January-08, 11:40

cardsharp, on Jan 7 2006, 06:53 AM, said:

Partner held


4 should make (even with the 4-0 break) and 3NT should fail (with the J wrong).

I bid an invitational 3 and the defence let 3NT make, but, with a bit more time to think, I now believe the transfer to hearts is probably better.

p

Hopefully we are playing Bergen accepts where pard can superaccept on a minimum with 4 trump.

A lot of partnerships would miss this game I think.
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