For all this time, they've been gleefully telling people that 1♣ is "11-19, any hand". Which I knew was unadulterated, but I couldn't get them to clarify. And clearly (especially when they played in flight B, but even in the open), it was to their advantage to "not understand the question"/"not be able to clarify".
Had they been a pair in contention (or had they continued to play in flight B, or often enough that we could remember and go after it) we probably would have been more forceful about it, but well, no.
But now, the one that I truly believe *doesn't* want to gain from "we know what we mean, we're hoping you don't" has convinced another player to play this, and that player has taught it to *his* student. So, yeah, not happy with continued "inability to explain".
So now they've managed to explain it in such a way that I could give them hands to clarify the holes I still saw, and I think we have an answer. So what I'm asking here is "does this make sense to you" (having never seen it before) - basically "do we have the disclosure clear now, to someone who hasn't been fighting with it for years?"
Note: parentheticals aren't "on the chart", just clarification questions I have asked already.
- 1♥ and 1♠ are opened on 11-17 and 5+ of the major. (I have checked, and that includes 5M-6 or 7m).
- 1NT is 15-17 balanced.
- 1♣ is opened on any 11-17 that doesn't meet the above, and 18-19 any. (Yes, with 11 high, 9 diamonds and a club void, they will open 1♣). Forcing 1 round.
- 1♦ is 20-21 any hand. (unbalanced, I think? I don't remember their 2NT opener) Obviously, Forcing.
- 2♣ is 22+ as in standard, 2/1.
ACBL requirements: Pre-Alert 1♣ and 1♦, and explain. Probably best to explain 1♣ as "catchall, denies...", which is why it is presented in the above order. Alert at the time, as the bids are forcing, not just "could be zero" (but that should be in the Alert explanation). They've written up a sheet, which has my list above, in that order; I think that meets the requirements. Do you?