[mike777]

1h-1s
2d-?

mp both nv.

J9873...7...KT73...K87

[jillybean]

pass. what am I missing?

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[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-May-19, 13:51, said:

pass. what am I missing?

Depends on system, 2♦ can be pretty large for us so 3♦, we're K♣ better than pass

[jillybean]

Sure, if 2♦ is wide ranging, 3♦
I've been playing too much weak nt?

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-May-19, 13:56, said:

Sure, if 2♦ is wide ranging, 3♦
I've been playing too much weak nt?

We play weak NT, 3♦ is 2 good 5 card suits, NOT a huge hand, wide range 1N rebid, so 2♦ is anything short of a GF unbal 2N.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-May-19, 14:02, said:

We play weak NT, 3♦ is 2 good 5 card suits, NOT a huge hand, wide range 1N rebid, so 2♦ is anything short of a GF unbal 2N.

Ok, I would expect 2D on 2542, partner doesn't want to play 1nt

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-May-19, 14:06, said:

Ok, I would expect 2D on 2542, partner doesn't want to play 1nt

Yup, and the problem is ?

[Huibertus]

Can't pass. Partner might be planning to bid 3 ♠ which we'll raise. So 3 ♦.

[apollo1201]

I was going to raise but the more I think…it is pass.

2D looks like a making spot. Passing might have opps balance but bidding one more risk partner getting overboard (if they bid again after 3D, it becomes GF). The 7 HCP make it more more likely that partner is not passing 3D.

So what stong hand partner may have that might have me regret not encouraging with a sub
- 16-17 3541 that wanted to support S next: my CK is now wasted and my S suit is as weakish as before, not sure how good 4S could be vs 2D (I think it makes a but less, but obviously scores more)

- some kind of 5S 3D 32 that partner did not want to open a strong 1NT, 2S could be better but we will be much higher anyway, and again, not sure even with 3532 how good 4S will be

With more partner would probably have jumped to 3D (or 2NT).

I do not know what will be better statistically and with KJT9x and nothing in C, I would try 2S (presumably 6) just to try catching a 3S bid from partner, butt her I will pass.

[awm]

Pass. Certainly if partner has an absolute maximum we might have a game. Against this, there are many hands where partner has 14-15 and will not pass 3♦, getting us too high. And there are also minimum hands for partner where 3♦ itself is too high. It’s MP so pushing for a game that’s rarely there isn’t good strategy anyway. Pass seems much higher percentage to go plus.

[Cyberyeti]

apollo1201, on 2025-May-20, 04:03, said:

I was going to raise but the more I think…it is pass.

2D looks like a making spot. Passing might have opps balance but bidding one more risk partner getting overboard (if they bid again after 3D, it becomes GF). The 7 HCP make it more more likely that partner is not passing 3D.

So what stong hand partner may have that might have me regret not encouraging with a sub
- 16-17 3541 that wanted to support S next: my CK is now wasted and my S suit is as weakish as before, not sure how good 4S could be vs 2D (I think it makes a but less, but obviously scores more)

- some kind of 5S 3D 32 that partner did not want to open a strong 1NT, 2S could be better but we will be much higher anyway, and again, not sure even with 3532 how good 4S will be

With more partner would probably have jumped to 3D (or 2NT).

I do not know what will be better statistically and with KJT9x and nothing in C, I would try 2S (presumably 6) just to try catching a 3S bid from partner, butt her I will pass.

x, Axxxx, AQJxx, Ax looks pretty good and is not a 3♦ bid, if you open 0562s 1♥ you might even be making a grand, give partner a chance.

[mikeh]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-May-20, 04:25, said:

x, Axxxx, AQJxx, Ax looks pretty good and is not a 3♦ bid, if you open 0562s 1♥ you might even be making a grand, give partner a chance.

Qx KQJxx AJxx xx is also a 2D rebid, and even 2D is in jeopardy, although I like our chances.

Imagining hands where game is good is a useful idea, but can lead one astray if one doesn’t also imagine hands where bidding is bad. This is matchpoints. Plus scores are king.

Chasing non vulnerable 11 trick games at matchpoints on this kind of hand is, long term, a losing practice imo.

[Cyberyeti]

mikeh, on 2025-May-20, 07:27, said:

Qx KQJxx AJxx xx is also a 2D rebid, and even 2D is in jeopardy, although I like our chances.

Imagining hands where game is good is a useful idea, but can lead one astray if one doesn’t also imagine hands where bidding is bad. This is matchpoints. Plus scores are king.

Chasing non vulnerable 11 trick games at matchpoints on this kind of hand is, long term, a losing practice imo.

Well there are plenty of hands that make a 9 trick game, I was posting one that has reasonable chances of 12 but was shy of a 3♦ rebid.