[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-March-22, 16:46, said:

"would not make me bid game."

Huh? please explain your wimpiness

I've said I have a simple raise, probably three cards.
I have J trumps and a loser in diamonds.
I don't cover a single loser in the trial suit.
I have iffy hearts and don't know anything about the opps' distribution.
We are contracting for 10 tricks at MP?

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2025-March-22, 16:52, said:

I've said I have a simple raise, probably three cards.
I have J trumps and a loser in diamonds.
I don't cover a single loser in the trial suit.
I have iffy hearts and don't know anything about the opps' distribution.
We are contracting for 10 tricks at MP?

Did you see the game try is a natural, second suit game try?
Partner will have 5 spades, 4+ clubs
I think trial suit is the same as help suit?

[mw64ahw]

We have a link on Bergen game tries above, but there are a number of options over 1M-2M. You can consider Kokish 3-way game tries where:

Modified 3-way Kokish game tries SymmetricNotes.pdf page 6.

1M-2M+1 reverse help suit try. This aims to conceal openers hand.
1M-2M+2 asks about trump honour holding
1M-2M+3 to 3M are splinters

Obviously if you are using the splinter game try with a slam in mind don't use 1M-2M-3M, but 1♥-2♥-3♠ & 1♠-2♠-4♣

[DavidKok]

jillybean, on 2025-March-22, 16:29, said:

I should have been clearer with my question, this isn't about game tries but rather to reevaluate your hand after partner makes a game try.

jillybean, on 2025-March-22, 17:42, said:

I think trial suit is the same as help suit?

My bad. Anyway, I think there are two different forms of game tries showing length in a second suit. There's help suit trials and long suit trials, and they ask for a different kind of hand evaluation opposite - though that gets pretty nuanced. I'm not sure which is meant with 'trial suit' - usually when I've seen people use that it's due to a failure to distinguish between the two (sorry). There's also short suit trials, and ways to combine them with Kokish.

However, the two game trials that in my experience score best are the Good Old College Game Try and a low-information game try. All this information leakage at the 3-level helps the opponents more than us, so maybe don't do it? With one partner I played that on 1M-2M we had 2NT and 4M as game tries, and all other bids were slam tries (new suits long, jump shifts splinters). We didn't play it for long enough to come up, but at least the game tries were golden!

[jillybean]

this wasn’t intended as a thread on game tries but that’s where we’ve gone.

[mw64ahw]

jillybean, on 2025-March-23, 05:55, said:

this wasn’t intended as a thread on game tries but that’s where we’ve gone.

Isn't the clue in the title😀

[Knurdler]

Reply from a lower level player:
My partner and I would have replied 3S or maybe even 4S because our modified losing trick count is 7.5

To answer the question:
If we make a game try, it shows a good hand and asks for help in that suit. With 3 losing clubs we would have to bid 3S.

I know this method tells the opps to lead clubs but my partner likes it.

[P_Marlowe]

Knurdler, on 2025-March-28, 12:35, said:

Reply from a lower level player:
My partner and I would have replied 3S or maybe even 4S because our modified losing trick count is 7.5

To answer the question:
If we make a game try, it shows a good hand and asks for help in that suit. With 3 losing clubs we would have to bid 3S.

I know this method tells the opps to lead clubs but my partner likes it.

Since this combo was mentioned a 2nd time, and to clarify, what I mean by combo I repeat the combo
in my own words

#1the simple raise was deemed insufficient, instead a limit raise or bidding game was suggested,
bidding game with the intention to make, not as preemptive raise
#2after the game try, we feel our hand is not strong enough, although partner showed additional
strength, which he promised, by making the game try

This is a combo I dont understand. For starters, sometimes, partner makes a gametry, but it is not pure
in the sense, that a help suit trial showes a suit with 3 loosers, he had to choose a suit to make
the try, lets say he is unbal., club is the lowest suit, and he wants to know, when we are not dead min,
if we have a suit with val., which may or may not fit.
And also given that we are max. for our raise, there is a mild chance, that we make the game contract on
power.