[jillybean]

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[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

you can bid 2H, 3H, or if you want to get fancy / use convention 2NT as limit raise.
As it is, the hand is not strong for a limit raise, so I would go with 3H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdiana]

I agree that this is not strong enough for Jordan/Truscott 2NT.

As usual, it depends on your agreements. I don't play Bergen raises but if you play them in competition, you can show a mixed raise with whatever Bergen bid you use. My preference would be 3♦ ("3M-1"). See https://www.advinbri...k-in-bridge/268

(3♥ would be weak for me.)

[DavidKok]

2♥. Not only most fitting for this forum, I actually think treating this as a mixed raise (or invitational+ raise) is not the best hand evaluation.

[akwoo]

I'd usually bid 2♥. But if we were playing Flannery and we had a mixed raise gadget I'd use it.

[Cyberyeti]

We play 4M and 1M-X-1N as a good raise to 2, so I will either do that or bid 3 as the mood and the vulnerability takes me.

[jillybean]

I consistently over bid these hands but have pulled back and find a simple raise to 2♥ is the better bid. (lacking the Yeti treatment)
I do have a partner and if it dies in 2♥ that is probably where we should be.

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[mw64ahw]

Straight to 4♥ (4.5 mod.losers) looking to make 5

Coming in late
I'd usually expect North to have a bit more shape than that for a mixed raise, but if it did it would be closer to a limit raise.
With 10 points total points I can see many treating this as a limit raise, but the 'quacks' pull it down again.
So 2♥ is fine (9.5 mod.losers) and happy to go higher if opponents intervene.

[pescetom]

4♥ looks fairly obvious, even if partner lacks honour support in diamonds a ruff or two is quite probable.

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2025-March-08, 08:57, said:

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We have 3 reasonable options using Bergen raises over double

2d showing 3 hearts and about 8-11
3H showing 4 hearts and weak
3c showing 4h hearts and about 8-11

fwiw 2h over double shows 3h and 6 pts.

Using adjusted LTC I would evaluate this as a 9 LTC hand.
8 losers plus add one more loser for lack of controls.

[bluenikki]

jillybean, on 2025-March-08, 11:53, said:

I consistently over bid these hands but have pulled back and find a simple raise to 2♥ is the better bid. (lacking the Yeti treatment)
I do have a partner and if it dies in 2♥ that is probably where we should be.

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Surely you would bid game if this were not a competitive auction.

But, over the double, might the single raise include hands with 5-card support that would have passed without the intervention?

[jillybean]

Yes, of course. 4♥ is automatic.
Most pairs got to 4♥ and a few stopped in 2 or 3. I think the X probably derailed some South's.

bluenikki, on 2025-March-08, 18:10, said:

But, over the double, might the single raise include hands with 5-card support that would have passed without the intervention?

With 5 card support I am never passing. So for me, no, the single raise promises support and values.

[thepossum]

I would likely have bid 3H and hopefully ended in the right contract