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Shapely Preempt over Shapely Preempt?

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Posted 2024-February-25, 13:38

View PostGilithin, on 2024-February-24, 08:41, said:

The cynic in me says that the best bid is "missing" the 4 call and "opening" a weak 2, getting partner barred from advancing and then correcting to 4. Obviously that's not what I would actually do but for the unethical, it is easy to use the social bridge stigma against calling in the TD and requesting a 27D adjustment.

Were you by any chance the player the other day who overcalled my partner's 1NT with 2 and then when I conceded (for once) an undo, promptly rebid 2 in perfect Canape ? :)
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Posted 2024-February-25, 14:52

View Posthelene_t, on 2024-February-25, 12:53, said:

DD, 4 is actually a phantom sac. Not that it matters for this discussion.

That partner didn't make a slam try may suggest that they are on the same wavelength. I am not suggesting that it is fishy, just that it's important to have a good partnership understanding so that if the player in direct seat is allowed to bid lightly, partner should not hang them. It may be a reasonable style at favourable.

There's also the rule that the partner who is short in their suit is the one who should stretch.


Thanks Helene, I like this approach.
The agreements I have with my holiday bridge partners are nowhere near this depth but it will make for a good discussion with my regular partner.
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Posted 2024-February-25, 21:43

View Postjillybean, on 2024-February-24, 00:52, said:

Playing in an 8B tournament NZ, restricted, Open player must partner a junior or intermediate.



Opps are unknown, when West was asked about 4, "could be weak"


Bidding here is probably anti-percentage, but it's not a ridiculous thought. The fact that 4H is game really does change the considerations.

For sure I would bid with the spade and diamond queens, so I think partner is clearly right to let the hand rest in game. There are too many possible holes to make looking for 6 the right action.
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Posted 2024-February-26, 07:50

View PostGilithin, on 2024-February-24, 17:36, said:

If you are playing with a corpse, there's no need to do the "Weak 2, oops" dance to silence them. One wonders, if that had happened, whether the TD would rule that Pass is even a LA here.

Just quibbling, but it's the dance itself that silences them, not the legal consequences of correction to 4.
And as TD I wouldn't bother asking players about LAs because they aren't going to bid beyond 5, with 11 tricks already made at the table.
South gets a note in my black book, or if already noted for such antics gets a penalty under 72B1. But no adjustment that I can see.
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