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After overcall, when you have support for partner and a great other suit

#1 User is offline   tomconlon 

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Posted 2021-March-24, 17:55

Partner opens 1Sp, your RHO overcalls 2D
You hold:
C-K84
D-8
H-KQJ986
Sp-QJ7

Do you show the H, support the Sp with a 3D call, or something else?

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Posted 2021-March-24, 18:29

You may have the option to show both with a 3♥ fit bid, but without that agreement I think I prefer to show the spades support. Might make it a bit easier to make a decision if LHO now jumps to 5♦. Also, if we end up asking for keycards, it's the queen of spades that matters.
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Posted 2021-March-24, 18:29



Easy (forcing) 2♥ for me. I can show spades later. This hand is a game force.
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Posted 2021-March-24, 22:37

I play negative free bids so I start with a double and wait to hear more from partner.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 01:06

How about 4♦ to show slam interest against a non-mimimum opening. 4♠ should make and the ♥s are likely to be a good source of tricks
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Posted 2021-March-25, 01:30

View Postmw64ahw, on 2021-March-25, 01:06, said:

How about 4♦ to show slam interest against a non-mimimum opening. 4♠ should make and the ♥s are likely to be a good source of tricks

I'd really prefer a 4th spade for that. If I do bid 2♥ and get a 2♠ response, 4♦ would be perfect then. But other sequences could potentially get awkward.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 03:24

4♦ takes up a lot of bidding space. For me, it would show shortage in diamonds, long spades and a weak hand, "Good luck, I hope you make this partner".

Make the cheapest forcing bid and wait for more from partner.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 04:15

TylerE, on 2021-March-24, 18:29, said:


Easy (forcing) 2♥ for me. I can show spades later. This hand is a game force.

How do you plan to proceed if your LHO bids 3♦?
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Posted 2021-March-25, 05:51

View Postpescetom, on 2021-March-25, 04:15, said:

How do you plan to proceed if your LHO bids 3♦?
3♠, GF. With a hand too weak to force to game you suppress the hearts to show support immediately, and with only 2 spades you'd give a takeout double on 3♦.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 13:32

View Postsmerriman, on 2021-March-25, 01:30, said:

I'd really prefer a 4th spade for that. If I do bid 2♥ and get a 2♠ response, 4♦ would be perfect then. But other sequences could potentially get awkward.

QJx should be good enough and if you don't fancy the slam try just bid game.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 16:25

View PostDavidKok, on 2021-March-25, 05:51, said:

3♠, GF. With a hand too weak to force to game you suppress the hearts to show support immediately, and with only 2 spades you'd give a takeout double on 3♦.


And why would 3♠ be a GF here?
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Posted 2021-March-25, 16:38

View Postpescetom, on 2021-March-25, 16:25, said:

And why would 3♠ be a GF here?


Because we didn't raise spades at our first turn. Delayed raise has to be a strong action.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 17:53

View Postjillybean, on 2021-March-24, 22:37, said:

I play negative free bids so I start with a double and wait to hear more from partner.

As a suggestion I recommend re-thinking the use of negative free bids
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Posted 2021-March-25, 18:37

View Posttomconlon, on 2021-March-24, 17:55, said:

Partner opens 1Sp, your RHO overcalls 2D
You hold:
C-K84
D-8
H-KQJ986
Sp-QJ7


Standard bridge hand format is to have spades at the top, then hearts, diamonds, and clubs in descending order.

The hand editor, the ♠ symbol with vertical red stripes on both sides, makes it easy to display both the hand and the bidding.
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Posted 2021-March-26, 01:53

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-March-25, 17:53, said:

As a suggestion I recommend re-thinking the use of negative free bids

Really, there are so many different ways to play this game, I could be rewriting my CC everyday.
I'm quite comfortable with NFBs and I do think they give us an advantage.
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