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Let's start with #1:
Scoring: IMP
The bidding was:
2♣ - 2♦ (5+HCP not a "real" positive, geebrally 5-10)
2♥ - 2♠
3♠ - 4♣
4N - 5♦ (0-3)
5♠
Down 1
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Posted 2005-May-24, 10:07
We had some difficult hands last night, I've selected three examples that maybe of interest, all kinds of comments are welcome. The posted auction is what happened at the table.
Let's start with #1:
The bidding was:
2♣ - 2♦ (5+HCP not a "real" positive, geebrally 5-10)
2♥ - 2♠
3♠ - 4♣
4N - 5♦ (0-3)
5♠
Down 1
Let's start with #1:
The bidding was:
2♣ - 2♦ (5+HCP not a "real" positive, geebrally 5-10)
2♥ - 2♠
3♠ - 4♣
4N - 5♦ (0-3)
5♠
Down 1
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Posted 2005-May-24, 10:44
2S? overbid in my book. set hearts see what pard does.
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Posted 2005-May-24, 10:52
set hearts with no fit? Pard can easily be 4531 or so, not sure how we can set hearts.
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Posted 2005-May-24, 11:10
I would have just bid 4s over 3s and not cuebid. I am very concerned over trump quality.
1) If I understand 2d=around 5-10 hcp?
2) Not sure what the advantage is of showing HCP rather than some control showing over 2c openings. Even a simple:
2D=1+ control but denies good long suit
2H=zero controls
1) If I understand 2d=around 5-10 hcp?
2) Not sure what the advantage is of showing HCP rather than some control showing over 2c openings. Even a simple:
2D=1+ control but denies good long suit
2H=zero controls
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Posted 2005-May-24, 11:13
4♣ seems a bit of a stretch to me
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Posted 2005-May-24, 11:13
Give me relays (after a strong 1♣ opening) and we end up safely in 4♠ since we just don't have enough strength and north knows that south doesn't have any ♠ tophonours. Otherwise it's probably hard to stop...
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Posted 2005-May-24, 11:59
Jlall, on May 24 2005, 06:15 PM, said:
seems like with relays you should end in 3N or 4H.
That's also possible
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Posted 2005-May-24, 15:39
Hmmm playing Benji Acol
2♣*-2♦*
2♥*-2♠
3♥-4♥
2♣=Acol 2 8 playing tricks+
2♦ waiting
2♥ - Acol 2 in Hearts
2♠ Natural
3♥ Extra length
2♣*-2♦*
2♥*-2♠
3♥-4♥
2♣=Acol 2 8 playing tricks+
2♦ waiting
2♥ - Acol 2 in Hearts
2♠ Natural
3♥ Extra length
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Posted 2005-May-24, 16:44
I don't like 4C either. Those K, Qs in minors are not likely useful. The bidding could also go:
2C - 2D
2H - 2S
3S - 4H*
4H shows 2-card support, not so good S suit, and no first control on minors.
2C - 2D
2H - 2S
3S - 4H*
4H shows 2-card support, not so good S suit, and no first control on minors.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 04:19
What would 4♣ after 2♠ have been? If it shows a shortness it will help partner brake.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 08:08
On my system I would have problems as well:
1♥-1NT (4+♠)
2NT(GF)-3♣ (checkback)
3♠-4♠
???
Probably would think have enough extras for reaching the 5 level.
1♥-1NT (4+♠)
2NT(GF)-3♣ (checkback)
3♠-4♠
???
Probably would think have enough extras for reaching the 5 level.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 08:25
Jlall, on May 25 2005, 02:08 PM, said:
splinters with 3 trumps are a losing proposition.
Disagree. It is my opinion that the most important message of the splinter bid is shortness. I don't think 4 card support so urgent to tell as the shortness.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 09:28
There are occasions when a splinter with 3 trumps is fine. However, in the auction
2C 2D
2H 2S
4C
Responder doesn't have a strong 5 card spade suit as he might have bid it on the previous round. Therefore I believe this is a situation when a 4th trump is necessary. However
2C 2D
2S 4C
In this situation, a splinter on three trumps is fine, since to bid a second suit then splinter may lead to too much space being taken.
2C 2D
2H 2S
4C
Responder doesn't have a strong 5 card spade suit as he might have bid it on the previous round. Therefore I believe this is a situation when a 4th trump is necessary. However
2C 2D
2S 4C
In this situation, a splinter on three trumps is fine, since to bid a second suit then splinter may lead to too much space being taken.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 09:38
whereagles, on May 25 2005, 09:25 AM, said:
Jlall, on May 25 2005, 02:08 PM, said:
splinters with 3 trumps are a losing proposition.
Disagree. It is my opinion that the most important message of the splinter bid is shortness. I don't think 4 card support so urgent to tell as the shortness.
unfortunately my dad agrees with you
we had an auction once where I hadAK
Axxx
AKJxxx
A
My partner ended up splintering in hearts after having shown a very very weak hand. I had an obvious 7D bid. Unfortunately he had 3 trumps and they led one lol. Anyways I know this is an isolated story but it goes to an important principle
A stiff is much stronger when you have 4 trumps than when you have 3 trumps
Partner is going to misevaluate alot of hands because when he assumes you have 4 trumps and a stiff he will start envisioning losers and will miscount them often when you fail to deliver the fourth trump.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 12:22
My dad also splintered this weekend with 3 trumps, he had:
xxx
xxxxxx
K10xx
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2♣-2♦
2♠-4♣
They should play together maybe lol.
xxx
xxxxxx
K10xx
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2♣-2♦
2♠-4♣
They should play together maybe lol.
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Posted 2005-May-25, 14:28
Hi,
I am not sure, but I think, if the partnership is playing
serious 3NT, than 4 NT is an overvid.
In this case 4C says, I have a cue, but nothing more,
minimum HCP or a controll poor hand.
It would be great, if it showed a top honor, which would
be the case in my partnership, but this is not really
necessary in this case.
If the partnership does not play serious 3NT, than 5S-1 is
unlucky.
With kind regards
Marlowe
I am not sure, but I think, if the partnership is playing
serious 3NT, than 4 NT is an overvid.
In this case 4C says, I have a cue, but nothing more,
minimum HCP or a controll poor hand.
It would be great, if it showed a top honor, which would
be the case in my partnership, but this is not really
necessary in this case.
If the partnership does not play serious 3NT, than 5S-1 is
unlucky.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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