[Fluffy]

♠AKJx
♥x
♦AQJxxx
♣Jx

Vulnerability N-S

S - W - N - E
1♦ -4♣ -5♦ -6♣

[inquiry]

At this Vul, forcing pass has to apply.

Therefore it has to be wrong to pass, and then bid 6♦ because that implies interest in grand slam (and promises a club control even I can see you clearly lack). It is also nice you included other in this poll, but I don't see anything possible but what is on the list.

So the real choices are between a 6♦ and pass. I don't even think this is close. Bid as confidently as you can a firm and forceful 6♦ (just kidding about the tone). IF they are willing to bid 6♣, the odds are very good they are going to bid 7♣ here even if you are off two tricks. The cost of their being wrong is too high at this vul. In addition, you might make 6♦.... although I am not too thrilled about having the wrong number of clubs. One or three would make me a lot happier.

[inquiry]

Jlall, on May 5 2005, 06:12 PM, said:

Ben copied me jk lol

I get my best answers that way

[luke warm]

i copied those two... 6♦

[pigpenz]

i would play dbl=2 quick losers
and pass would be forcing

[beatrix45]

Don't have to be a LOTT disciple to visualize a zillion tricks, esp. if partner fits spades. She did bid 5♦ anticipating something that might be worse than:

AKJ4
Q98
AQ65
65

So, bidding 6♦ might put us in the best spot, and in any event it forces them to make the last guess.

I think 6♦ looks better at IMPs than at matchpoints.

[Cascade]

pigpenz, on May 6 2005, 12:10 PM, said:

i would play dbl=2 quick losers
and pass would be forcing

On this auction I do not think this is very useful. An opening bid will almost always have at least two quick losers. Therefore you will be doubling almost all of the time.

After this pre-emption you need to judge whether you have extra playing strength or not.

Maybe you mean two quick club losers?

Still this is not such good information. You could have two quick club losers in a balanced minimum or a 19 hcp rock.

[P_Marlowe]

Dbl.

The real question is:

Would I have bid 6D,
if the opponents passed
partners raise to 5D?

No.

Do I know, that partner
did bid 5D to make, and
did he want to invite / investigate
6D?

No, after all he could have
bid 4D instead of 5D.

The only argument for bidding 6D
is taking insurance, which is a really
strong argument, but then: partner is
still there and he may bid 6D by himself.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

Pard has managed to annoy more me with his 5D bid than opps with their preempts... LOL.

Anyway, since pard can't have too many diams, to bid 5D he must have some sort of club shortage to compensate (else bid a plain 4D or double with points). I think I bid 6D and double anything afterwards.

[Chamaco]

A question to all the folks here (I am always fond of Forcing pass questions !! ).

What is wrong with pass and accepting any pard decision ?
Pass should show an offensive hand which is unsure to make 6, so why doesn't this hand qualify ?

I understand that this hand is way too weak for pass then pull double, but what about pass and pass pard's double (if he has the right cards to double) ?

Thanks all!!!

:-)

[inquiry]

Chamaco, on May 6 2005, 06:08 AM, said:

A question to all the folks here (I am always fond of Forcing pass questions !! ).

What is wrong with pass and accepting any pard decision ?
Pass should show an offensive hand which is unsure to make 6, so why doesn't this hand qualify ?

I understand that this hand is way too weak for pass then pull double, but what about pass and pass pard's double (if he has the right cards to double) ?

Thanks all!!!

:-)

Because your partner without a spade control, with only one top diamond, WILL DBL, you know it, i know it;. So you are actually making the decision to play 6♦ or 6♣X by bidding or passing (for all practical purposes here). But the pass forgets the psychology of the game.

[Chamaco]

inquiry, on May 6 2005, 11:10 AM, said:

Because your partner without a spade control, with only one top diamond, WILL DBL, you know it, i know it;.

Is there a way to ask pard to bid the slam if he does not have 2 quick losers in opps suit ?

[Fluffy]

Well, congrats to everyone except the doublers because whatever you bid but double will bring you to a good contract, since the only missing card is ♠Q.

partner held this time:

♠109xx
♥AQxx
♦K10xxx
♣-


Only 2 people followed my thought of passing+raising, so I guess I was probably wrong about it.

Had to put an other option since ♠ would score better than ♦ after all , if someone wanted to bid them I wouldn't argue with success

Spoiler

Yes, SQ was onside

[mike777]

Fluffy, on May 7 2005, 05:51 AM, said:

Well, congrats to everyone except the doublers because whatever you bid but double will bring you to a good contract, since the only missing card is ♠Q.

partner held this time:

♠109xx
♥AQxx
♦K10xxx
♣-


Only 2 people followed my thought of passing+raising, so I guess I was probably wrong about it.

Had to put an other option since ♠ would score better than ♦ after all , if someone wanted to bid them I wouldn't argue with success

Spoiler

Yes, SQ was onside

Good Grief 5d is a terrible bid partner, just terrible. I am glad I bid 6D hoping to induce 7clubs but if partner keeps bidding like this I am moving on.

[P_Marlowe]

But even Dbl. will net 800 or 1100,
opposite 1400, so no real big los,
since they wont bid the Grand.

With kind regards
Marlowe