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#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2018-January-27, 12:14



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EW are worldclass opponents and they are not fan of Roth Stone preempts.
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Posted 2018-January-27, 12:34

View PostMrAce, on 2018-January-27, 12:14, said:



MP
EW are worldclass opponents and they are not fan of Roth Stone preempts.


There is an argument for jumping directly to 6H, hoping to increase the penalty when the opps take the push to 7 clubs or diamonds. But my bid is a simple 5H.
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Posted 2018-January-27, 12:37

I am fine with 5♥. 6♥ would be potty with two empty(ish) doubletons.

My next choice is double which could easily be right but ODR too good for that imo.
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Posted 2018-January-27, 13:14

I'd double
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Posted 2018-January-27, 13:55

dbl
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Posted 2018-January-27, 15:56

View PostMrAce, on 2018-January-27, 12:14, said:

MP. EW are worldclass opponents and they are not fan of Roth Stone preempts.

I rank
  • 5♥ = NAT. The pre-empt forces us to gamble.
  • Double = PEN. Might be a better choice if you knew what to lead.
  • Pass = NAT. Timid.
  • 6♥ = NAT. Brave bluff.

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Posted 2018-January-27, 16:53

5♥ just looks sensible. Double is too ambiguous. Pass is scary cat. Anything else is not showing world-class opponents the respect they deserve. You're semi-balanced with 6322 and two worthless doubletons, but there's a good chance partner can turn up with either a ♠ honour or a singleton in one of the minors and trumps to ruff a loser for -300 at the most. At this level it's a guessing game so I was told it's always best to bid what's in your hand. So 5♥ it is.
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Posted 2018-January-27, 19:30

X (LoTT)
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Posted 2018-January-27, 23:58

Why has responder not supported clubs? I'll try X. Nige1, I'd lead the SA.

edit: this is where MrAce tells us they were playing transfer pre-empts :)

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Posted 2018-January-28, 05:47

It's well know that LoTT falls down with these high level decisions.

I like 5H because it has a few ways to win over double:

- It makes
- It is a good save
- They push on to 6m and go off

Double only really wins when they are not making 5D and we are not making 5M. I accept this is more likely than any of the above which is why it's close but I still think it's best.
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Posted 2018-January-28, 07:05

I would bid 5♥. There is the additional chance of getting away with it when you're technically wrong because the opening leader doesn't have a diamond.
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Posted 2018-January-28, 09:47

double.

I'm sure it's something weird to be posted as a problem but diving with these cards (potentially -500), really?
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Posted 2018-January-28, 10:06

View Postggwhiz, on 2018-January-28, 09:47, said:

double.

I'm sure it's something weird to be posted as a problem but diving with these cards (potentially -500), really?


And not diving in risks only getting +200 vs +650/680 (QJxxx, xxxx, x, Axx or similar)

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Posted 2018-January-28, 10:59

View Postahydra, on 2018-January-27, 23:58, said:

Why has responder not supported clubs? I'll try X. Nige1, I'd lead the SA.

edit: this is where MrAce tells us they were playing transfer pre-empts :)

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No I won't :)

What do you think E should bid with

Void
xxx
AKQxxxxx
Kx

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Posted 2018-January-28, 11:25

View PostMrAce, on 2018-January-28, 10:59, said:

No I won't :)

What do you think E should bid with

Void
xxx
AKQxxxxx
Kx

?


Kantar wrote a funny article about a number of similar hands where every time he was given them as a lead problem he would pick the ♥A (3 of those cashed) instead of the obvious spade on the theory of "why are they asking?"
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Posted 2018-January-28, 15:32

Double

If the decision were at the 4 level, 4 ♥ would be logical.

But without any distribution in "their" suits, I find it hard to make a 5 level call. There's just no way to know what's in partner's hand and too much chance of a crossruff between the opponents in their suits.
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Posted 2018-January-29, 09:53

double. partner's pretty unlikely to bid and it might well be cold but such is life. if you don't x you're just going to get robbed on most hands.
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Posted 2018-January-29, 10:04

Is anyone else concerned about double with 2-2 in the minors, suggesting good splits? I'm not sure who is sacrificing but I'm inclined to think it is us.
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Posted 2018-January-29, 10:10

View PostWinstonm, on 2018-January-29, 10:04, said:

Is anyone else concerned about double with 2-2 in the minors, suggesting good splits? I'm not sure who is sacrificing but I'm inclined to think it is us.


This is also what I think.
I also believe, it may be hard for them to double us because I have the AKQJT of my suit and they bid due to their shape and very long suits and not due to strength. After all you may have a void in one of their suits and spades running (according to the what they expect you to hold)
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Posted 2018-January-29, 13:54

View PostMrAce, on 2018-January-29, 10:10, said:

This is also what I think.
I also believe, it may be hard for them to double us because I have the AKQJT of my suit and they bid due to their shape and very long suits and not due to strength. After all you may have a void in one of their suits and spades running (according to the what they expect you to hold)


That's why I chose 5H.
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