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New GiB record?

#1 User is offline   nullve 

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Posted 2016-September-11, 02:34

From my BBF Challenge match against jeffford76:



At the other table:


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Posted 2016-September-11, 05:14

hi nullve,

OH MY GOD! Nothing else to say. Quite unbelievable.
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Posted 2016-September-11, 05:23

Yes, unfortunately, the cardplay engine is buggy, too.
Quite similar examples, were reported here some weeks ago.
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Posted 2016-September-11, 07:02

Wow. The worst I've seen!
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Posted 2016-September-11, 15:02

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Posted 2016-September-11, 15:11

Tough way to lose 3 imps!
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Posted 2016-September-11, 16:07

I guess Gib playing server is too old to do the work so well.
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Posted 2016-September-11, 20:12

View Postlycier, on 2016-September-11, 16:07, said:

I guess Gib playing server is too old to do the work so well.

This isn't an age problem. A human beginner or a young program almost certainly wouldn't make that mistake and if it did it would be quickly fixed.
This is big problem. I saw Gib with Qxx if trump offside play the Q on first round of trump.
There is a major bug in card play.


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Posted 2016-September-12, 09:27

The thread with two earlier cases I mentioned above -- just as ugly:

http://www.bridgebas.../74881-gib-bug/
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Posted 2016-September-12, 12:24

And then we have these masterpiece defenses...

http://www.bridgebas...-world-history/

Not sure if the first-lead is a different algorithm than subsequent cards, but buggy it is.

...unless I missed a BBO announcement, that any of these have now been fixed, of course.
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Posted 2016-September-15, 08:46

BBO is aware of this hand, and investigating. Thanks
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2016-September-15, 10:57

Can the bot be taught to count top tricks?
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Posted 2016-September-15, 11:41

It knows how to count top tricks. My home copy of GIB just claims at trick 1.

Why it went haywire here, they'll have to investigate.
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Posted 2016-September-15, 13:32

Once thing GIB seemingly does perfectly is accept or reject claims. I would not mind if BBO's GIB would claim when it has all remaining tricks certain.
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Posted 2016-October-20, 00:55

View Postjdonn, on 2016-September-15, 08:46, said:

BBO is aware of this hand, and investigating. Thanks


We've moved on from hundreds of threads never being replied to, to your replies saying they're being looked into. Yet I haven't seen a single response with the result of said investigation.

Was anything found? Or did they give up? Bugs like the ones in this thread seem seem to be the highest priority given how common they are.
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Posted 2016-October-20, 05:09

View Poststeve2005, on 2016-September-11, 20:12, said:

This isn't an age problem. A human beginner or a young program almost certainly wouldn't make that mistake and if it did it would be quickly fixed.
This is big problem. I saw Gib with Qxx if trump offside play the Q on first round of trump.
There is a major bug in card play.



+1000

I think GIB needs a major overhaul in its card play program.




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Posted 2016-October-20, 05:38

These absurd plays or bids occur when bots run out of memory. I don't know the technicalities but it's something about servers and memory, not about how robots are programmed. Happens only to challenge and daylong robots, you won;t get these when renting basic robots or in robot tournaments.

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Posted 2016-October-20, 06:27

View Postdiana_eva, on 2016-October-20, 05:38, said:

These absurd plays or bids occur when bots run out of memory. I don't know the technicalities but it's something about servers and memory, not about how robots are programmed. Happens only to challenge and daylong robots, you won;t get these when renting basic robots or in robot tournaments.


This statement is untrue about the rented bots.
I gave examples for the bot that I rented for 1$, an advanced robot which refused to take the defeating trick vs their slam in 2 different hands in 1 week.
Yes they make much less mistakes than regular bots but they still have issues.
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Posted 2016-October-20, 06:42

Sorry I didn't mean to say rented bots have no bugs.

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Posted 2016-October-21, 10:13

Diana, here is an example of tournament GIB


http://tinyurl.com/zxghuoz

Check the 9th trick
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