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#21 User is offline   kuhchung 

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Posted 2015-January-20, 14:52

I think 3NT should show a hand like QJxx x KQxxx xxx
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Posted 2015-January-20, 15:03

Partner's 3NT is the worst bid of the year.
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Posted 2015-January-20, 16:02

View Postgwnn, on 2015-January-20, 15:03, said:

Partner's 3NT is the worst bid of the year.

Let me put money down: Csaba has not played in an Individual tournament this year, yet.
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Posted 2015-January-21, 07:22

View Postahydra, on 2015-January-19, 05:10, said:

This hand has nowhere near 9 playing tricks - more like 7.

I think you might be confused about PTs. This does not mean you think you have this many tricks! The forumlae as laid down in the 40s are quite complicated, most notably for Responder's PTs but in essence you count trumps length winners on the scale:

4 card suit = 1 PT
5 card suit = 2 PT
6 card suit = 3 PT
7 card suit = 4 PT
8 card suit = 6 PT (+1 PT per additional card)

For a side suit you count 1 PT less with 0.5 PT for a 4 card suit.

Then you look at the honours not counted as length winners and ascribe PTs to them using the HT listings adjusted for obvious cases (so KQJ = 2 and QJT = 1, for example)

So spades = 0.5 PT; hearts = 6 PT (3 + 3); diamonds = 0 PT; clubs = 1.5+ PT (a + is somewhere between 0.25 and 0.5)

The result is that is probably an Acol 2 rather than a traditional 2 hand. It is certainly nothing like 7 PT though! Since many modern players include some Acol 2 hands within their 2 opening, I could easily imagine it being opened 2 at some tables. In the UK, France or Germany, where 2 is often Benji, I would expect a 2 opening to be common.

I also second the motion that 3NT is pretty bad but not exceptionally so for an indi.
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