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Posted 2015-January-18, 16:49
Your are dealt this fine hand. The bidding goes as shown below. MPs, indy (no special agreements that is). Make one more move or pass it out?
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Posted 2015-January-18, 16:55
I've sufficiently described my hand and partner made a decision, so I'm done now.
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Posted 2015-January-18, 17:28
I pulled it to 4H. For me, the problem is that we don't have the ace of clubs. I was imagining a hand such as Axxx xx Axxx xxx where we make 11-12 tricks in hearts if trumps break depending on what happens in clubs. However, in 3NT on the presumed diamond lead, there would only be 9 tricks if hearts break, and not even that if they don't. Compare the OP hand with Kx AKQ98x x AQJ9 simply changing the CK to the ace. Now 3NT plays quite a bit better and I would probably pass 3NT.
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Posted 2015-January-18, 17:45
I'd bid 4H
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Posted 2015-January-18, 17:59
4♥. Completes hand description.
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Posted 2015-January-18, 18:27
agree with 4h but I still don't think that does this hand justice. NOt sure what a better option is.
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Posted 2015-January-18, 21:33
I pull it to 4♥, because that completes my hand's description. However, I would have opened 2♣, counting 9 tricks in hand.
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Posted 2015-January-18, 22:43
chasetb, on 2015-January-18, 21:33, said:
I pull it to 4♥, because that completes my hand's description. However, I would have opened 2♣, counting 9 tricks in hand.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 04:56
I'm frankly torn. Maybe 4H makes and 3N is down. Maybe 9 tricks is the limit. Maybe there are 10 tricks whatever I do. On balance, I've tended to pass this type of hand at MPs and been sorry less often than not.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 05:10
This hand has nowhere near 9 playing tricks - more like 7. It would be close to 2C opener, but still not quite, if you swapped SK -> SA or Hx -> HJ. (If playing Benji or similar, one could open it 2C because it is a three-loser hand and as mike777 suggested 1H...3C...4H doesn't quite show it all; but it wouldn't be my choice)
Still I don't think we can do more than 4H here, partner can have something useless like QJxxx x KQxx xxx.
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Still I don't think we can do more than 4H here, partner can have something useless like QJxxx x KQxx xxx.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 05:21
I'd bid 4♥ in order to keep my partner's mits off dummy. 
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Posted 2015-January-19, 06:13
PhilKing, on 2015-January-19, 05:21, said:
I'd bid 4♥ in order to keep my partner's mits off dummy.
Won't he then bid 4NT to keep your mits off being declarer? And is it not right to play that 4D is a last-train style slam-try?
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Posted 2015-January-19, 06:22
I would bid 4♥ both to complete the description of my hand and because 4♥ is likely to be a better contract than 3NT.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 06:35
Thanks all. 4♥ was right on this hand. If you do that, pd will raise to a making 6♥.
I passed it out at the table, blinded by the matchpointitis myth of 3NT >>> whatever.
Here's the full deal:
I passed it out at the table, blinded by the matchpointitis myth of 3NT >>> whatever.
Here's the full deal:
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Posted 2015-January-19, 06:48
I don't know about various people's styles of bidding and so on, but I think that dummy was awful strong to be offering a sign off in 3NT.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 06:53
NickRW, on 2015-January-19, 06:48, said:
I don't know about various people's styles of bidding and so on, but I think that dummy was awful strong to be offering a sign off in 3NT.
Maybe, but he didn't even need the ♦Q for slam. Two Aces with ♥Jx was plenty.
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Posted 2015-January-19, 07:55
diana_eva, on 2015-January-19, 06:53, said:
Maybe, but he didn't even need the ♦Q for slam. Two Aces with ♥Jx was plenty.
Yeah, precisely. Two bullets and Jx of trumps and Txx of partners 2nd suit are quite enough to make me wary of 3NT. Never mind the q♦
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Posted 2015-January-19, 09:40
PhilKing, on 2015-January-19, 05:21, said:
I'd bid 4♥ in order to keep my partner's mits off dummy.
100% Somebody that noticed that this hand is from an Indy. Mildly surprising that the key is giving partner a 2nd chance to look at their hand
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Posted 2015-January-19, 11:46
ahydra, on 2015-January-19, 05:10, said:
This hand has nowhere near 9 playing tricks - more like 7.
How do you figure this hand to be worth 7 tricks?
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Posted 2015-January-20, 01:09
I understand partner's desire to bid nt, because your weakest collective suit is diamonds and partner has the positional stop in diamonds. So grabbing NT is reasonable. Treating the hand like xxxx xx AQxx xxx which also might bid 3nt seems bad. A natural 4nt call is surely better than a 3nt call with this rich responding hand, although a slower route might also be ok/better.