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Your bid?

Poll: Your bid? (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid with AK7432-AQ-T-QJ84?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Dbl (15 votes [100.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  3. 5 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Somthing else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Schultz112 

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Posted 2014-September-04, 12:32

EW-non vul
NS-vul
(P) - P - (3)- 4
(5) - P - (P) - ?

AK7432 AQ T QJ84
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Posted 2014-September-04, 13:02

I assume pass is forcing and I double, I have no extra offense.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 16:03

Saying NS vul doesn't help as you haven't said what seat we are in (or who dealt), nor whether it's pairs/teams.

I don't see that pass is forcing, as we have basically said we're pretty close to making 4 (maybe slightly less close NV/V), but often it will be a hand with more spades and less defence than this, partner might want to be allowed to pass 5 unsure whether 5 is making or not, and also unsure if we're going too many, it's entirely conceivable that particularly V/NV you're forcing partner to make a choice between -550 and -500/800 when you wanted to push cards quietly for -400.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 16:56

This must be one of very few times that I thought a pass was forcing that someone else didn't. Although I'm having a deja vu, maybe this happened on the forums in exactly this auction before lol.

I actually agree with you that white vs red we should not be in a force, I am not sure why I interpreted OP as we are red and they are white, I guess I just assumed I was south?

My understanding is that almost all experts play a preempt opposite a passed hand jump to game as a force when we showed values in 4th seat, the idea being it is very likely they cannot make 11 tricks with a passed hand opp a preempt, and partners most likely hand is one that wants to invite us to bid at the 5 level with a fit but obviously doesn't want to force there.

However I do play that white vs red we are basically never in a force since the opps are usually bidding to make or go down 1 in those situations and when we know they have no HCP it is very likely they have lots of shape. I don't think most people play that though.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 17:24

Yeah, I'm almost always in the "pass is not forcing" camp, but I play this specific one as forcing.

Double!
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Posted 2014-September-05, 01:56

Is this really a 4 bid though? Should the decision about whether to bid 4 depend on whether a pass in this auction would be forcing?
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Posted 2014-September-05, 02:58

I also have a lot of sympathy with double over 3 but now it came back in 5 I am glad I got in the a spade call. The double now seems clear enough to be certain that 5 makes.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 03:27

Dbl, to show some extras.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 05:39

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-September-05, 03:27, said:

Dbl, to showdeny some extras.

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Posted 2014-September-05, 06:10

pls elaborate :)
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Posted 2014-September-05, 08:38

I was counting on p having their fair share of stuff to make 4s so unless they
have a special surprise for me I prefer to just x 5d and try to set it. The
nice part about this auction is that since p is a passed hand they can tell
quickly if their hand is good for a 5s raise to make or bad enough to pull
so the opps do not make 5dx:)
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Posted 2014-September-05, 10:45

The poll should have been "which forum does this belong in". I am sure Expert-Class Bridge would have polled 0 votes. And I have given up forcing passes in the pass-out seat ...
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