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Inadmissable bid Opener calls 3 of suit but has 14 points what is penalty, after game ?
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Posted 2014-August-19, 03:26
No penalty when this is a tactical bid.
The three level is preemptive but when for once someone decides to open it with an opening hand, that's at his own risk.
When this happens more often in the partnership you must alert that it could be stronger than a preempt.
The three level is preemptive but when for once someone decides to open it with an opening hand, that's at his own risk.
When this happens more often in the partnership you must alert that it could be stronger than a preempt.
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Posted 2014-August-19, 04:27
his bid was fine. just because you wouldn't make a bid doesn't make it 'inadmissable'.
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Posted 2014-August-19, 04:29
Nkurru, on 2014-August-19, 02:28, said:
Opener calls 3 of suit but has 14 points what is penalty, after game has finished?
There needs to be an infraction before there's a penalty or an adjustment, and deviating from their agreement (if that's what happened) doesn't qualify as an infraction.
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Posted 2014-August-19, 04:33
wank, on 2014-August-19, 04:27, said:
his bid was fine. just because you wouldn't make a bid doesn't make it 'inadmissable'.
"Inadmissible", I think it should be. But you are right. Law40A3: A player may make any call or play without prior announcement provided that such call or play is not based on an undisclosed partnership understanding.
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Posted 2014-August-19, 05:31
The rules do not require that all players bid the same way - so other players do not have to bid the same way as you.
The laws require that a partnership properly explain their agreements in bidding - so that you know they may bid differently.
Most games have restrictions on partnership agreements - so that you do not have to deal with very weak or very strange bidding by the opponents.
(But agreeing to open at the three level on 14HCP is normally allowed.)
As other have said, players do not always have to bid according to their agreements - as long as what they do is as much a surprise to their partner as it is to you.
What may have happened here is that after two passes, opener decided it was better to bid at the three level to make it difficult for the next player, even though he had more points than is usual.
The laws require that a partnership properly explain their agreements in bidding - so that you know they may bid differently.
Most games have restrictions on partnership agreements - so that you do not have to deal with very weak or very strange bidding by the opponents.
(But agreeing to open at the three level on 14HCP is normally allowed.)
As other have said, players do not always have to bid according to their agreements - as long as what they do is as much a surprise to their partner as it is to you.
What may have happened here is that after two passes, opener decided it was better to bid at the three level to make it difficult for the next player, even though he had more points than is usual.
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Posted 2014-August-19, 05:49
lamford, on 2014-August-19, 04:33, said:
"Inadmissible", I think it should be. But you are right. Law40A3: A player may make any call or play without prior announcement provided that such call or play is not based on an undisclosed partnership understanding.
Inadmissible calls are defined in
Law 35 said:
The following calls are inadmissible:
1. A double or redouble not permitted by Law 19. Law 36 applies.
2. A bid, double or redouble by a player required to pass. Law 37 applies.
3. A bid of more than seven. Law 38 applies.
4. A call after the final pass of the auction. Law 39 applies.
1. A double or redouble not permitted by Law 19. Law 36 applies.
2. A bid, double or redouble by a player required to pass. Law 37 applies.
3. A bid of more than seven. Law 38 applies.
4. A call after the final pass of the auction. Law 39 applies.
Other calls are never inadmissible. (They may be illegal according to regulation, but that is a different kettle of fish.)
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