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#21 User is offline   aguahombre 

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Posted 2013-July-29, 15:07

 PhilKing, on 2013-July-29, 13:27, said:

Opening 2♣ is an error IMO. The chances of an uncontested auction must be very small indeed, and keeping it low allows the oppoents too much chance to find a fit.

If we are going to start low, I prefer 1♦ for tactical reasons, which increases the chance of playing in 6♦x.

Do you find the Vulnerable opponents dive in there a lot more over 1D than over 2C? They definitely get frisky over a strong 1C, and I don't think Opening a Precision type 1C would be a good idea.
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Posted 2013-July-29, 16:00

 aguahombre, on 2013-July-29, 15:07, said:

Do you find the Vulnerable opponents dive in there a lot more over 1D than over 2C? They definitely get frisky over a strong 1C, and I don't think Opening a Precision type 1C would be a good idea.


Well I prefer 4NT.

I generated 16 hands on playbridge and here is the first one:

..........-
......... -
..........A K Q 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3
......... K Q

Q J 3............. A 10 6 2
K J 9 7 4........ Q 10 8 6 5 3 2
J 2............... -
10 9 6........... 8 5
.........K 9 8 7 5 4
........A
........-
........A J 7 4 3 2

There was a good sacrifice available on most of the 16 deals. It was very hard to get in over 4NT (obviously they should be hyper-aggressive, but even then it was hard) and 2♣ was never sufficient to stop them getting in.


[Deal "N:..AKQT9876543.KQ AT62.QT86532..85 K98754.A..AJ7432 QJ3.KJ974.J2.T96"]

[Deal "E:QT9732.AJ3..7632 A864.QT872.J2.T8 KJ5.K9654..AJ954 ..AKQT9876543.KQ"]

[Deal "S:KQ32.J952.J.T643 T986.A764.2.AJ82 ..AKQT9876543.KQ AJ754.KQT83..975"]

[Deal "W:AQ72.AK8643.J2.7 ..AKQT9876543.KQ JT986.J972..6432 K543.QT5..AJT985"]

[Deal "N:..AKQT9876543.KQ T75432.AQ762..A5 AJ86.T943..98632 KQ9.KJ85.J2.JT74"]

[Deal "E:A632.T742..86432 J9874.KJ865..J97 KQT5.AQ93.J2.AT5 ..AKQT9876543.KQ"]

[Deal "S:JT64.T6.2.AJ9862 AQ732.QJ542..754 ..AKQT9876543.KQ K985.AK9873.J.T3"]

[Deal "W:KJ2.AK98754..862 ..AKQT9876543.KQ A953.JT3.2.T9543 QT8764.Q62.J.AJ7"]

[Deal "N:..AKQT9876543.KQ KJ42.KQJ54..A654 AQT98765.AT.2.J7 3.987632.J.T9832"]

[Deal "E:J72.JT.J2.AJ8653 T854.K87643..972 AKQ963.AQ952..T4 ..AKQT9876543.KQ"]

[Deal "S:AT52.Q432..T9432 QJ8643.875.J.A65 ..AKQT9876543.KQ K97.AKJT96.2.J87"]

[Deal "W:QJT987.K53..T953 ..AKQT9876543.KQ A2.T8762.J2.J764 K6543.AQJ94..A82"]

[Deal "N:..AKQT9876543.KQ A98.AT763.2.8742 J76.KJ942..J9653 KQT5432.Q85.J.AT"]

[Deal "E:8764.KQ9765..654 AKQJT9.J82.J2.JT 532.AT43..A98732 ..AKQT9876543.KQ"]

[Deal "S:AK97542.AK..AT72 Q3.QJ653.J2.9843 ..AKQT9876543.KQ JT86.T98742..J65"]

[Deal "W:53.T6542.J.98762 ..AKQT9876543.KQ KJT9764.93..T543 AQ82.AKQJ87.2.AJ"]
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Posted 2013-July-31, 02:53

My specific Ace ask is included in our 2♣ opener, so I'd open that and hope to handle the interference.
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Posted 2013-August-02, 08:05

 mfa1010, on 2013-July-29, 10:45, said:

The reply with 2 aces is colour-rank-odd at the 6-level btw. 6♣ = reds or blacks, 6♦ = majors or minors, 6♥ = ♠♦ or ♥♣.

Maybe those are standard where you are but most play either 5NT as any 2 aces (with 6♣ showing ♣A) or 6♣ as any 2 aces (with 5NT showing ♣A). Another alternative is to bid the lowest suit where you do not hold the ace at the 6 level with 2 aces. So 6♣ = any 2 from ♠A, ♥A, ♦A; 6♦ = ♣A and a major ace; 6♥ = ♣A and ♦A. This scheme tries to provide extra information while minimising the chances of getting too high.
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Posted 2013-August-02, 11:35

6♦
What the hand is worth. Forces opponents into hard decisions. Partner might have the Ace we need and might not. Don't care. Why risk their finding a major suit fit? ...only 2/3 of the 4-0-0 ♦ splits make 6 impossible.

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Posted 2013-August-02, 12:23

 SteveMoe, on 2013-August-02, 11:35, said:

Partnership discipline and trust here is important.

Yes, it is important to let him know early on that you will be making all the decisions without benefit of auction.
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Posted 2013-August-02, 15:00

I pass. This hand will never be passed out, and I want to be doubled in 6♦. If p opens, I may have to force him to cue his controls, but it's more likely that an opponent will leap in one of the majors. Go ahead. I want to look like a lunatic here.
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Posted 2013-August-02, 18:24

 GBinUS, on 2013-August-02, 15:00, said:

I pass. This hand will never be passed out, and I want to be doubled in 6♦. If p opens, I may have to force him to cue his controls, but it's more likely that an opponent will leap in one of the majors. Go ahead. I want to look like a lunatic here.

You are off to a good start.
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Posted 2013-August-03, 08:16

 GBinUS, on 2013-August-02, 15:00, said:

I pass. This hand will never be passed out, and I want to be doubled in 6♦. If p opens, I may have to force him to cue his controls, but it's more likely that an opponent will leap in one of the majors. Go ahead. I want to look like a lunatic here.

Don't you think opps may have an easy 6M to play? Their Major will beat your ♦s any day, and you'll be the one who has to guess between letting them play or sacrificing.
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Posted 2013-August-03, 13:03

I'm a 6 ♦ bidder.

A strong 2 ♣ opener may let you find 7 if it's there, but it may also let the opponent's find a 6 ♥/♠ sac.
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