[Dale57]

I apologize to all who responded to the initial question. This is the corrected version. Thanks to gnasher for pointing out my error!

IMPs.

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What is West's call?

[Dale57]

The complete E/W hands:

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At the table, West chose 2♠. Up to you, East.

[ahydra]

Just bid 3D, keep it simple. Then East simply asks for keycards over West's 3S, finds out he has none (never would have expected that!), asks for kings and West bids the grand - 7NT, to be precise, since he has all the heart winners.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

We'd bid this 2♣-2♠-3♦-3♥-4♥(2♣-positive is F4N by agreement unless suit known uncontrolled)-4♠(kickback)-5♣(1/4)-5♥(signoff opposite 1 but expecting partner to show 4 and bid a K)-5♠-7N

[Zelandakh]

Cyber, I notice both you and Andy are choosing 4♥ over 3♥ rather than 4♣. Is this because you do not think the East hand is good enough, or because of the trump quality, or simply that you use the 4♣ call for something else?

[Cyberyeti]

 Zelandakh, on 2013-July-11, 08:37, said:

Cyber, I notice both you and Andy are choosing 4♥ over 3♥ rather than 4♣. Is this because you do not think the East hand is good enough, or because of the trump quality, or simply that you use the 4♣ call for something else?

I wasn't 100% sure it agreed hearts, what do you bid with K, void, AKJxxx, AKQJxx ? I'd rather not have to bid 6♣.

[gnasher]

A 4♣ cue-bid is fine with me. I just didn't want to get involved in a discussion of whether it is, in fact, a cue-bid.

[Free]

My auction:
East West
2♣-2♦ (strong ; positive)
3♥-4♠ (4♥ and 5+♦ ; RKC ♥)
4NT-5♦ (1/4 keycards ; K ask)
5♠-7NT (♠K ; can count 13 tricks)

2♣-2♠ is artificial so I can't use that, and if I want to show ♠ I need to bid 2NT. In the other thread I said that I need better ♠s, even QJT is not enough imo.

4♠ is ugly, but we don't have other options to set ♥. Maybe worth a discussion with my partner...

Your auction should start 2♣-2♠-3♦-3♥ after which opener should probably just Blacky and count 13 tricks (good 6+♠ must be QJT)

[gnasher]

 Free, on 2013-July-11, 13:20, said:

2♣-2♦ (strong ; positive)
3♥-4♠ (4♥ and 5+♦ ; RKC ♥)
4NT-5♣ (1/4 keycards ; Q ask)
5♠-7NT (yes, and also ♠K ; can count 13 tricks)

Why is your East showing ♥Q when his hearts are A10xx? And why did West ask about it when his hearts are KQJx?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

If Responder's suit qualification with 6+ cards can be reduced to 3 of the top 5, then 2S over 2C makes life easy on this one ... as mentioned in the other thread .

If not, then the auction gets high fast:

2C - 2D!
3D - 3S
?? would Opener really go past 3NT and rebid 4H to show a 4 card suit ??
If Opener would, then life gets easy again .

[Free]

 gnasher, on 2013-July-11, 14:59, said:

Why is your East showing ♥Q when his hearts are A10xx? And why did West ask about it when his hearts are KQJx?

Corrected, I thought East had ♥KQJx while writing my auction (putting East on the left and West on the right made it a bit confusing)

[Zelandakh]

 gnasher, on 2013-July-11, 08:51, said:

A 4♣ cue-bid is fine with me. I just didn't want to get involved in a discussion of whether it is, in fact, a cue-bid.

Shame. Cyber's example hand shows why it might be an interesting side-discussion. My usual meta-rule is for the 4th suit at the 4 level to show slam interest in the last bid suit unless this can be shown another way, so for me it is obvious that it shows hearts. But naturally that is not ideal when we belong in the fourth suit.

 Free, on 2013-July-11, 13:20, said:

My auction:

The amended auction is identical to one of the ones I posted in the original thread, so naturally I approve. I do not see any problem in having Responder jump to key cards here. The hand would generally be more interesting if Responder was a little weaker, so that they could not safely take control once the fit shows up.

[mike777]

important to note 2s or 2d gets you to the right place..please note..

typical.....fwiw I think your play of the hand matters much more.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 mike777, on 2013-July-12, 02:16, said:

important to note 2s or 2d gets you to the right place..please note..

How does 2D get you to the right place if Opener next bids 3D ?

[mike777]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-July-12, 03:01, said:

How does 2D get you to the right place if Opener next bids 3D ?

on this hand they deny 4h and longer d

with all of that said sure...if pard has 3 loser hand or better.....hard hand to get to grand.....easy to get to 6

if pard ..opener has one or 2 loser hand I have this hand sure......I may mess up....
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on this one hand.....easy...all auctions get you to 7

[TWO4BRIDGE]

2C - 2D!
??
I also don't understand Opener bidding a 4 card ♥ suit before his good 6 card ♦ suit ?

[helene_t]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-July-12, 07:27, said:

2C - 2D!
??
I also don't understand Opener bidding a 4 card ♥ suit before his good 6 card ♦ suit ?

Some pairs play that a 3♥ rebid shows specifically four hearts and longer diamonds.

[wank]

when the 4th suit is the strong hand's 3rd call, it should be natural. opener will often have based his 2C bid on very strong suits rather than the full 23 miltons, in which case it will often be playable opposite even a doubleton and it would be sad not to be able to show it.


as per some of the auctions above, he can raise partner's 2nd suit in a forcing manner even if it's with 4M. 4th suit at the 3 level e.g. 2c-2s-3c-3d-3h is also unnecessary. without hearts opener can bid 3NT forcing - it's impossible for a 2C opener not to have a heart stop and not be able to support partner or rebid clubs.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

After:
2C - 2D!
??

 helene_t, on 2013-July-12, 07:32, said:

Some pairs play that a 3♥ rebid shows specifically four hearts and longer diamonds.

...."specifically" 4h + longer Diam ? What about + longer Clubs ?

What about 4s and a longer minor ?

[RMB1]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-July-13, 07:26, said:

After:
2C - 2D!
??


...."specifically" 4h + longer Diam ? What about + longer Clubs ?

What about 4s and a longer minor ?

2C-2D-3S shows 4 S and longer diamonds

2C-2D-3C-3D(waiting)-3M shows 4 Ms and long clubs