[caky_]

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after 1♦ what shld E bid .. there are 2 options to me..

pls answer with ur reasons .. thx

ps: later i will show u how auction went...

[billw55]

This is an easy one. In ordinary methods double would show both majors, which east does not have. So 1♥ is clear.

[caky_]

billw55, on 2013-April-12, 12:06, said:

This is an easy one. In ordinary methods double would tend to show both majors, which east does not have. So 1♥ is clear.

i agree w /u ... but some of them says X is more optional here... thats why i asked Q in the poll... pls vote ur preferance.. & ty

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Since it is infrequent that you would hold both majors, some play the following:

-- DBL = shows 4 cards ♠ but says nada about ♥

-- 1H = 4+ ♥

-- 1S = 5+ ♠

[caky_]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-April-12, 12:24, said:

Since it is infrequent that you would hold both majors, some play the following:

-- DBL = shows 4 cards ♠ but says nada about ♥

-- 1H = 4+ ♥

-- 1S = 5+ ♠

sounds like good idea.. thx

[ggwhiz]

My partnership goes further flexibility wise in that double only promises 1 major (either) but at least 2 places to play, ie. you absolutely know what to bid next if pard bids a major you don't have.

Here after double and spades from pard we bid clubs but with a different hand might be bidding notrump. Bidding 1♥ on what might be a 4,5,6 or more card suit drilled us a few times when diamonds were raised and the worst was after a 3♦ weak raise. Not right or wrong, just our chosen comfort level.

[Cyberyeti]

By my methods:

P-P-1♣-(1♦)
2♣(inverted 9+ with 5+ clubs or 10+ with 4 not denying 4M)-P-2♦(asking, better than min)-P
2♥(nat)-P-2♠(nat)-P
3♣(no ♦ stop, minimum)-P-P-P

Much easier when the small hand is a passed one and W doesn't need to overpress.

[HeartA]

ggwhiz, on 2013-April-12, 12:53, said:

My partnership goes further flexibility wise in that double only promises 1 major (either) but at least 2 places to play, ie. you absolutely know what to bid next if pard bids a major you don't have.

Here after double and spades from pard we bid clubs but with a different hand might be bidding notrump. Bidding 1♥ on what might be a 4,5,6 or more card suit drilled us a few times when diamonds were raised and the worst was after a 3♦ weak raise. Not right or wrong, just our chosen comfort level.

completely agree with you.

[aguahombre]

Simple soul, here. 1♦ didn't interfere with my originally intended response, so I make my originally intended response...1♥.

The reason we use the double to show exactly 4-4 majors is because the non-interfering overcall allowed us to do so. With spades we can bid spades; with (54) in the majors we make our originally intended response.

After a double, showing 4-4, opener is prepared if there is a diamond raise. If there is no diamond raise, he can rebid 2M as a normal minimum 4-card raise, jump raise the Major of choice to 3 or 4, rebid 1NT, and/or stall with 1M showing only three of them and an awkward rebid, allowing NT from partner.

[fromageGB]

Even more comfortable for me is system on playing transfer walsh, so X shows 4+ hearts. (There is another bid for invitational+ 44 both majors.)

It just depends on your methods. Playing natural I would be happy to double with any 4 card major and then support clubs if partner bid the wrong one.

[Free]

2 questions you need to ask yourself:
Do we have 4♥? Yes -> that leaves us with Dbl and 1♥
Do we have 4♠? No -> that leaves us with 1♥

[caky_]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-April-12, 12:24, said:

Since it is infrequent that you would hold both majors, some play the following:

-- DBL = shows 4 cards ♠ but says nada about ♥

-- 1H = 4+ ♥

-- 1S = 5+ ♠

thx

[caky_]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-April-12, 14:39, said:

By my methods:

P-P-1♣-(1♦)
2♣(inverted 9+ with 5+ clubs or 10+ with 4 not denying 4M)-P-2♦(asking, better than min)-P
2♥(nat)-P-2♠(nat)-P
3♣(no ♦ stop, minimum)-P-P-P

Much easier when the small hand is a passed one and W doesn't need to overpress.

nice-- ty

[caky_]

Free, on 2013-April-13, 05:18, said:

2 questions you need to ask yourself:
Do we have 4♥? Yes -> that leaves us with Dbl and 1♥
Do we have 4♠? No -> that leaves us with 1♥

agree w you

[ggwhiz]

Again and quite often on bbo my opps have bid

1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥

on something like Ax, Txxx, Qxx, KTxx

Maybe all you 1♥ bidders on the posted hand have a better way to handle it but for me, this ain't it.

[keylime]

GGWhiz - nothing wrong with a heart there. You'll compete with some number of clubs.

[gszes]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-April-12, 14:39, said:

By my methods:

P-P-1♣-(1♦)
2♣(inverted 9+ with 5+ clubs or 10+ with 4 not denying 4M)-P-2♦(asking, better than min)-P
2♥(nat)-P-2♠(nat)-P
3♣(no ♦ stop, minimum)-P-P-P

Much easier when the small hand is a passed one and W doesn't need to overpress.

when you are unlimited, this works very well but a passd hand---IMO (since opener may drop the
bidding at anytime) youshould concentrtate on getting the the major suits before showing minor
support especially when its only kinda sorta support:) if p opened a dia and you had say
Kx Qxxx xx AQxxx would you bid 1h or 2c as a passed hand? IMO it is once again far more important
to show the major:))

1h for me for polling purposes

[Cyberyeti]

gszes, on 2013-April-13, 20:07, said:

when you are unlimited, this works very well but a passd hand---IMO (since opener may drop the
bidding at anytime) youshould concentrtate on getting the the major suits before showing minor
support especially when its only kinda sorta support:) if p opened a dia and you had say
Kx Qxxx xx AQxxx would you bid 1h or 2c as a passed hand? IMO it is once again far more important
to show the major:))

1h for me for polling purposes

This depends on the rest of your system, I play a weak NT so partner either has extra shape or extra values for 1♣, if he has 4M and a minimum he simply bids it rather than 2♦. The worry is competition not opener dropping the auction, and unusually we still play takeout doubles despite knowing about our fit to deal with this.

[ahydra]

I double and bid 3C over 1S - but that's probably because my partner understands that if I do that, I don't have both majors.

I used to like "double = at least one 4cM major" here with a bid showing 5, to mirror the standard negative double case where there is only one unbid major. There are some trouble hands if you play that though, e.g. where you wouldn't be comfortable with a 1NT or 2C folllowup. Nowadays I have a more traditional partner and we play something like "X = both majors, or 1 major and enough strength to go to a sensible place if opener bids the wrong one".

ahydra

[ggwhiz]

ahydra, on 2013-April-16, 08:34, said:

There are some trouble hands if you play that though, e.g. where you wouldn't be comfortable with a 1NT or 2C folllowup.

Those hands in the 7-8 range always seem to have 3 plus bad diamonds in them. By agreement our openers re-open with shortness in the overcall suit aggresively and I can't remember ever being stuck by passing these.

Every time it goes float or lho bids something we are in contention to do the right thing and when we both have diamond length it is often defend.