[Lord Molyb]

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If you double, or bid 1♥ (I'm not seeing any other bids you can make), your LHO will bid 2♦. What actions do you take?

[MrAce]

I bid 1♥ and then DBL, i have a perfect hand that would overcall and then double.

I don't have the strength for DBL and then bidding ♥ later, or doubling later.(assume rho raised to 3♦ ) But if i started DBl i would obviously either pass or DBL again. (personally i pass if pd couldn't bid anything, because i am scared to defend 2♦ doubled)


Also defending 1♦ or 2♦ with void trump and not being able to play it thru, is painfull most of the time.

[Lord Molyb]

MrAce, on 2012-November-17, 08:45, said:

I bid 1♥ and then DBL, i have a perfect hand that would overcall and then double.

I don't have the strength for DBL and then bidding ♥ later, or doubling later.(assume rho raised to 3♦ ) But if i started DBl i would obviously either pass or DBL again. (personally i pass if pd couldn't bid anything, because i am scared to defend 2♦ doubled)


Also defending 1♦ or 2♦ with void trump and not being able to play it thru, is painfull most of the time.

Partner might have up to 14 points with no suitable bid over 1 ♦, however. I'm hesitant to bid 1♥ because partner might have 4 spades, making spades a (most likely) superior contract.

[MrAce]

Lord Molyb, on 2012-November-17, 08:55, said:

Partner might have up to 14 points with no suitable bid over 1 ♦, however. I'm hesitant to bid 1♥ because partner might have 4 spades, making spades a (most likely) superior contract.

Well... is he banned from bidding after we doubled 2♦ ?

MrAce, on 2012-November-17, 08:45, said:

I bid 1♥ and then DBL, i have a perfect hand that would overcall and then double.

[Lord Molyb]

MrAce, on 2012-November-17, 08:58, said:

Well... is he banned from bidding after we doubled 2♦ ?

Whoops! Didn't notice that part.

[Hanoi5]

What would partner's double over 2♦ mean?

[Phil]

1♥ is easy. Partner is encouraged to show four spades over it so other than finding clubs, what does double gain?

[nigel_k]

1♥ then double.

I don't like having a void because partner will choose to defend quite often. Even though my double doesn't promise any diamonds, he will hope for more than zero. But the rest of my hand is ok defensively and the other choices are unattractive. I certainly don't want to sell out to 2♦.

[JLOGIC]

I would always double the first time. After that I was thinking maybe it's right to pass even though it's weird, we know partner has some values and didn't bid the first time, it seems like he will often have diamond length and pass over our second double. Maybe it matters whether we play X of 2D would have been penalty or not. I would probably double a second time without even thinking about it irl though lol.

[JLOGIC]

Phil, on 2012-November-17, 15:01, said:

1♥ is easy. Partner is encouraged to show four spades over it so other than finding clubs, what does double gain?

Why is partner "encouraged to show 4 spades" over a 1H bid? Because we hold 4 spades on this hand?

[Lord Molyb]

JLOGIC, on 2012-November-17, 16:15, said:

Why is partner "encouraged to show 4 spades" over a 1H bid? Because we hold 4 spades on this hand?

That is good jLogic you are showing. Wouldn't a 1♠ bid over 1♥ show 5?

[MrAce]

JLOGIC, on 2012-November-17, 16:15, said:

Why is partner "encouraged to show 4 spades" over a 1H bid? Because we hold 4 spades on this hand?

I assume we are talking about when the opener passes 1♥ bid.

I don't know the encouragement part, but i would bid spades if i have 4 of them and values to make a bid after my pd overcalled/balanced. Unless we have a rule that says 1♥ overcaller can not have 4 spades. I think doubling wins when pd doesn't have enough values to bid over 1♥ and when he has 4 or more spades, but thats something i am not worried about, if he is that weak, which i highly doubt when i have only 11 and openers pd passed and opener ddidn't do anything over my 1♥, and if opener bids again that will usually give us another shot to find our spade fit or club fit, because my hand is suitable to take another action after starting 1♥. As i said earlier i may not be as comfortable as i am after 1♥, to take another action had i started double.

[gszes]

the risk of missing a spade game looms very large here and by starting
with 1h vs x we are taking a big chance for little positive reason. Our shape
screams double and the only way a heart suit of that quality finds its way in
print is for someone to show it in a forum like this. IRL I would not have any
trouble passing over 2d after my initial x but I would have grave concerns
if I had chosen a 1h balance and would be strongly tempted to now x (ie
do what i should have done the first time). P will know the second x was made
under duress and they will probably "underbid" their hand by a significant amount
which is exactly what we fear might happen.

[phil_20686]

I would bid 1H and then double.

If i doubled first, I don't think you can double again, as that surely shows more points. I think that is quite important so that partner can bang down 3N over the second double.

I am totally with mr Ace that 1H then double should not show extra values, its just how you show this shape.

[gwnn]

I would x but that's not the point of this post.

It's probably just about possible to play partner's double

(1D-p-p-x/1H
2D-X)

As 'takeout/penalty, look at your hand and you will know.' Thoughts? In this case it would be penalty

[gwnn]

zap

[phil_20686]

gwnn, on 2012-November-18, 07:18, said:

zap

If you are going to quote camp nineteen seventies tv, do it right: