[rduran1216]

pairs w/r 4th seat, against seeded pair.

J10xx
J98xxx
xx
x

1C 4D 6C ?

Sac. or not?

[CSGibson]

Pass. They have guessed, don't give them a chance to intelligently explore grand with a forcing pass.

[MrAce]

Probably pd stretched his hand too at these colours, no need to push too hard and they are very likely to have grandslam. I would pass and not sac. Although i can easily imagine that it can work.

[Codo]

I guess, we can make 7 tricks (KQJxxxxx in diamonds for partner...), so defending can win.

I am really not sure whether this will help them intelligently finding the grand slam after they blast 6 ♣.
If opener shows first round control, ´this will surely not fit well to responder who often has one himself. And if opener pass to show no first round control, how will this help responder? I bet they will take the sure plus...

I try the sac.

[Fluffy]

With nothing bid nothing is a good rule I'll follow.

[Phil]

I expect that we can take 7 tricks so 6♦ is 1100. If pard is stretching ever so slightly then 1400 exceeds their 1370 / 1390.

However, in a regional pairs field, I doubt 1100 will be a good result anyway (25% vs 15%?). They, OTOH, understand that 5♣ doesn't pay that well, and we might sacrifice anyway.

On a good day, partner turns up with the ♠Q and a cashing diamond, and we are beating 6♣. This is a huge swing for us (25%--> 90%). Assuming my estimates are close, if we beat 6♣ more than 1 in 6, passing is better.

[dboxley]

To quote a MP legend, "Only Jesus saves"

[JLOGIC]

which is funny because saving is a much better thing to do at MP than imps in general.

[gnasher]

JLOGIC, on 2012-September-14, 12:22, said:

which is funny because saving is a much better thing to do at MP than imps in general.

I think the reasoning is that at teams you can trust your teammates to be in the right contract, whereas you can't trust a typical pairs field to reach the game that you're considering saving against. You should be most inclined to save at BAM.

[JLOGIC]

I dunno, at imps I usually save only if I think there is a good chance I will hold it to 300 vs their 620 or 100 vs their 420. Saving to gain 3 imps when I am down 500 vs 620 is bad odds usually since a phantom would be a disaster and I'd rather just try and go for the set.

At MP I will be much more likely to try and pick off a 500 vs 620 or 300 vs 420 spot. Of course it might still be a phantom, you never know, but there is way more upside when you're right.

I don't think worrying about the field having not bid the game is a concern that often since if it seems like a close/slim game I will usually not be saving anyways and will just try to set it.

Saving vs slam is a lot different though and that was what this thread was about, was more just making a comment on the phrase only jesus saves coming from a MP god! I did not think it would be controversial that way more saving is going on and should be at MP than imps, is it? I have no hard data but I'm sure I save way less at imps over games, maybe it's a leak.