[bd71]

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Matchpoints. Your options are basically cue-bidding (1st/2nd round controls) or 4♥.

How likely do you think slam is? What's your choice?

[Codo]

I would bid 4 Club as a non serious slam try with no spade control. If partner has max and something in spades he will cooperate, else he won't.
IF he holds Kxx,KQxx,Axxx,Axxx slam is laydown.

[SteveMoe]

Codo said it well!

[aguahombre]

Codo, on 2012-June-02, 12:24, said:

IF he holds Kxx,KQxx,Axxx,Axxx slam is laydown.

I don't super-accept as much as most posters, here; but, my Gawd...all primes, 4 trump? Partner would not have bid 2H with that.

[wanoff]

aguahombre, on 2012-June-02, 14:40, said:

I don't super-accept as much as most posters, here; but, my Gawd...all primes, 4 trump? Partner would not have bid 2H with that.

He might not break with ♥KQx so worth a try with 4♣.
But if 3♥ agreed clubs then I'd bid 3♠ to hopefully indicate the diamond shortage.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

aguahombre, on 2012-June-02, 14:40, said:

I don't super-accept as much as most posters, here; but, my Gawd...all primes, 4 trump? Partner would not have bid 2H with that.

How about: Kxx, KQx, Axxx, Axx

[mike777]

bd71, on 2012-June-02, 12:15, said:

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Matchpoints. Your options are basically cue-bidding (1st/2nd round controls) or 4♥.

How likely do you think slam is? What's your choice?

4c no problem yet.

over 4d will bid 4h. over 4h I will pass, fwiw 4s would be rkc so....npp.

[wyman]

I would make the available nonserious slam try. Hand is way too good for 4H but not good enough for a serious try imo

[Phil]

Serious / Non Serious generally does not apply when one hand is limited. 4♣ is a slam try, but it doesn't mean we have to go past 4♥. Most importantly, it denies a spade control. The question is, is a spade control enough for us to risk the 5 level? I think it probably is but we may have to guess to bid 6.

[mike777]

wyman, on 2012-June-02, 22:26, said:

I would make the available nonserious slam try. Hand is way too good for 4H but not good enough for a serious try imo

I have no idea what this means or how to bid it.

Did OP tell us?

[Codo]

Phil, on 2012-June-02, 22:32, said:

Serious / Non Serious generally does not apply when one hand is limited. 4♣ is a slam try, but it doesn't mean we have to go past 4♥. Most importantly, it denies a spade control. The question is, is a spade control enough for us to risk the 5 level? I think it probably is but we may have to guess to bid 6.

Why is serious/NS off? I would like to see whether my partner has one of the examples hand given here or a hand like AKx,Qxx,AKxx,xxx. And I doubt that you have a better use for 3 NT with a mojor fit opposite a twosuiter...

[Fluffy]

Codo, on 2012-June-02, 12:24, said:

IF he holds Kxx,KQxx,Axxx,Axxx slam is laydown.

Specially because tricks 14th and 15th are most likelly ours

[Phil]

Codo, on 2012-June-04, 03:54, said:

Why is serious/NS off? I would like to see whether my partner has one of the examples hand given here or a hand like AKx,Qxx,AKxx,xxx. And I doubt that you have a better use for 3 NT with a mojor fit opposite a twosuiter...

The general rules about serious / NS is that 1) we are in a game force, 2) we have an 8 card major fit (+), and 3) both hands are relatively undefined as to strength.

After a 1N opening, many pairs don't play serious. However, here its unlikely that responder wants to suggest 3N, so you could play it as some sort of 'rolling' bid, or a cue bid related to trump.

[Zelandakh]

Phil, on 2012-June-04, 07:13, said:

The generalMy rules about serious / NS isare that 1) we are in a game force, 2) we have an 8 card major fit (+), and 3) both hands are relatively undefined as to strength.

FYP. Not every general rule is generally played.

[han]

I'm with Phil, I am surprised anybody would play (non)-serious here.

[cherdano]

Disagree Zelandakh, these are fairly standard rules.

Codo, on 2012-June-04, 03:54, said:

Why is serious/NS off? I would like to see whether my partner has one of the examples hand given here or a hand like AKx,Qxx,AKxx,xxx. And I doubt that you have a better use for 3 NT with a mojor fit opposite a twosuiter...

Even if you don't think 3NT should ever be the final contract here, it's easy to find better uses for 3NT: shape specific slam try (i.e., 2=5=2=4).

[Codo]

I doubt that Phils third rule is a general rule in Germany. At least I know nobody who play it his way, but some who use ser3NT even after limited (NT)openings.

And whether it is useful to use your idea is not clear at all.
If you play ns/s you may find out whether openers hand has many wasted values in diamonds and spades and whether or not he has a spade control and all of this below 4 ♥.
If you play your style, how shall partner cooperate? He knows your shape, but cannot pass, as you you have an unlimited slamtry. So- shall he always bid his lowest control? Shall he- as the limited hand -take over control and ask you about your controls/KCs?

At least for me it makes no sense to have this agreement in addition to ser/nonser3NT, but like always- taste may differ.

[mgoetze]

Codo, on 2012-June-04, 08:38, said:

I doubt that Phils third rule is a general rule in Germany.

I doubt that "general rules in Germany" are a good indication as to the proper application of modern bidding theory.

[wyman]

This is really interesting. I opened 1N holding AK109x / 98x / AKx / xx

1) Do you agree? [(14)15-17]
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After partner bid hearts and clubs, I thought AK AK -- even in side suits -- was too good for 4H, so I bid 3H.

2) Do you agree?
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3) If we agree to play NS3S here, regardless of what's standard, what is your approach with my hand after 4C?

4) Suppose that we agree that NS3S is off here.
...4a) If we have no agreements about LTTC, is 4D clear?
...4b) If 4D is LTTC, would you still make the bid, though it's ambivalent about diamond controls?

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I thought NS3S was on, so I assumed 4C was serious. I think 4D is clear (now) but I KC'd which I think is pretty terrible, since it takes captaincy from partner. ♥H10x was off, so we were -1 in 5H. Had I bid 4D over 4C, I would have bid over 4H anyway (again, thinking 4C was serious), so probably same result, but I really felt unsure about a lot of calls in this auction.

[cherdano]

Codo, on 2012-June-04, 08:38, said:

I doubt that Phils third rule is a general rule in Germany. At least I know nobody who play it his way, but some who use ser3NT even after limited (NT)openings.

In other news, US expert standard bidding is superior to German expert standard bidding.
(Sorry for the bold statement, but I have really no doubt that this is true.)