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#1 User is offline   Antrax 

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Posted 2012-March-28, 01:15

Matchpoints, none vul. You deal yourself:
Qxx Q KJxx ATxxx
Playing 15-17 NT, do you open this hand?
If you do, 1 or 1?
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Posted 2012-March-28, 01:23

Hi,

I would open 1C, intending to rebid 2C, but will raise
1D / 1S to 2D / 2S.

Passing is not out of the question, but usually you dont
seek reason to pass, you try to find reason to open.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:06

I open 1. I rebid 1NT over 1, and raise 1 to 2.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:09

I open 1D and rebid 2C
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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:14

View PostAntrax, on 2012-March-28, 01:15, said:

Matchpoints, none vul. You deal yourself:
Qxx Q KJxx ATxxx
Playing 15-17 NT, do you open this hand?
If you do, 1 or 1?

NV/NV is the perfect time to bid. I open 1D, intending to bid 1NT over 1H and 2C over 1S.
There is a big difference between a good decision and a good result. Let's keep our posts about good decisions rather than "gotcha" results!
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Posted 2012-March-28, 03:05

When deciding whether to open on marginal values, we often choose not to do so with 4-5 in the minors.

With this one, we would not open. Put that stiff queen in one of the minors, and we open 1D and rebid 2C. QXX X KQXX AJXXX, or whatever.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2012-March-28, 03:14

I have a 12 count so I open. Clubs is my longest suit so I open 1. Easy game.

I would do this at any vulnerability at any scoring, but you especially want to get into the auction w/w at matchpoints.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 03:16

Could anyone explain the W/W principle? I haven't heard of it before.
Codo, over 1, your rebid?
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Posted 2012-March-28, 03:39

As you asked directly: 1 NT :)

W/W ist white/white, so both non vulnerable.

I would open this all day a week, 1 usually, 1 if I have that agreement.

After
1 1 2
1 1 1 NT
1 1 2
1 1 NT 2

So, I do not see any rebidproblems and have full values for my opener.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 04:10

Of possible interest ... how some experts handle 1345 11-14 HCP hand types. Curtis Cheek's comments near the end are pretty funnny.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 04:11

I know what W/W is. Why should I be more active in bidding when that's the vulnerability?
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Posted 2012-March-28, 04:20

Thanks for the link y66, it's pretty comprehensive. It seems I undervalued the singleton honor too much - it seems you should actually count it as an asset that lets you rebid 1NT more easily.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 06:28

View PostAntrax, on 2012-March-28, 04:11, said:

I know what W/W is. Why should I be more active in bidding when that's the vulnerability?

To answer this let me take you to a specific (common) MP case. The bidding is at 2 - should we bid 3 or pass or double them? Let's assume for the moment that there are 16 tricks available. Then

w/w:
2= vs 3-1
-110 vs -50 (-100 if they double)

2-1 vs 3=
+50 (+100 if we double instead) vs +110

Summary: it is always good to bid


w/r
2= vs 3-1
-110 vs -50 (-100 if they double)

2-1 vs 3=
+100 (+200 if we double instead) vs +110

Summary: it is good to bid if they are making


r/w
2= vs 3-1
-110 vs -100 (-200 if they double)

2-1 vs 3=
+50 (+100 if we double instead) vs +110

Summary: it is good to bid if we are making


r/r
2= vs 3-1
-110 vs -100 (-200 if they double)

2-1 vs 3=
+100 vs +110 (+200 if we double instead)

Summary: bidding is alwys fraught with danger


This kind of graph explains why the best colours to compete aggressively at MP are w/w and the worst are r/r. There are other factors too but I think the mathematics at work here show it as well as anything else.
(-: Zel :-)
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Posted 2012-March-28, 06:57

Thanks Zel.
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