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Hot or not? Void in partner's suit
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Posted 2012-March-25, 12:05
1♦ was 11-16 unbalanced with 4+ diamonds
Agree with 4♥? What do you do now?
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Posted 2012-March-25, 14:13
agree.
5h now.
will bid 6d over 5s\
will bid 7s over 6d
wish pard could have had a hand type that could bid rkc over 4h.
5h now.
will bid 6d over 5s\
will bid 7s over 6d
wish pard could have had a hand type that could bid rkc over 4h.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 15:00
Certainly temping to get the torture over with and bid 7♠ right now. But in a forum, let's give CHO some more headaches with 5H. Too afraid of 5D being misconstrued.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 18:26
I don't like showing shortness controls in partner's suit, but maybe this is the time to do it. 4♦ last round may have suggested playing in ♦, but 5♦ now must be a control cue.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 02:26
In my book when you have a sure fit in the M you always make the cheapest cuebid available. So by bidding 4H we denied a club control and a diamond filler (if that is your agreements, AKQ of D), we are also showing great trumps since we did make a slam try vs a limited hand. So 5D at this pts should show a void (unless you have some really advanced agreemants for some sort of LTTC asking for a H cards.)
Note that here its likely partner has a H void (why did he bid 5C rather than RKC ? when we have controls in all the suits (except maybe diamonds) ?
Note that here its likely partner has a H void (why did he bid 5C rather than RKC ? when we have controls in all the suits (except maybe diamonds) ?
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2012-March-26, 05:19
I would bid 5 ♦ to show my shortness and it is not close. Must this be a void? I hope so, but I am not convinced yet.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 05:24
OK, as most people suggested, I bid 5♦. Partner responded 5♠. Now what?
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Posted 2012-March-26, 05:45
I go for 6 spades.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 12:17
I bid 6♠ over 5♣
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Posted 2012-March-26, 12:43
mgoetze, on 2012-March-26, 05:24, said:
OK, as most people suggested, I bid 5♦. Partner responded 5♠. Now what?
6♦ to confirm that this is a void, I'm known to have no club control, so really have to be this good in the majors. My one worry is that partner has xxxx, QJ, something, AKQ and we're in a grand on a finesse, but partner hasn't used blackwood, so is probably shapelier than that.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 22:18
Well, apparently I'm not the only one missing this grand, that's good I guess.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 22:34
mgoetze, on 2012-March-26, 22:18, said:
Well, apparently I'm not the only one missing this grand, that's good I guess.
lol
I said 5h not 5d
over 6d I bid 7s
no ..dont bid 5d
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Posted 2012-March-27, 00:29
Assuming that we are sure that 5D is showing a void, i dont think i like 5S, sure the AQ of D look like ugly waste but the club void is huge and QJT of H is worth a lot. Partner made a slam try vs 11-16 with a void in D and nothing in clubs.
Axxxxx
Kxx
--
xxxx
AJxxx
Axxx
--
xxxx
QJxxxx
Axxx
---
xxx
these hands make decent slam and i dont think he can have less than this for his 4H slam try. Also note that if your style is to RKC when you can rather than make a 5 level cuebid, the 5 level cuebid always implies a void (or is specifically asking for a control not possible here) so that 5S denies a H control and implies the club void, if so south has to make a try for 7 wich north will easily accept.
Tough and interesting hand. Also note that in a limited opening style i would bid 4C (showing a void) not 3S my hand make a decent game vs Axxxx and nothing else.
Axxxxx
Kxx
--
xxxx
AJxxx
Axxx
--
xxxx
QJxxxx
Axxx
---
xxx
these hands make decent slam and i dont think he can have less than this for his 4H slam try. Also note that if your style is to RKC when you can rather than make a 5 level cuebid, the 5 level cuebid always implies a void (or is specifically asking for a control not possible here) so that 5S denies a H control and implies the club void, if so south has to make a try for 7 wich north will easily accept.
Tough and interesting hand. Also note that in a limited opening style i would bid 4C (showing a void) not 3S my hand make a decent game vs Axxxx and nothing else.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2012-March-27, 00:45
I rst my case too compliclated......i give up
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