[caky_]

lets say U are playing 2/1 or sayc

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dano (smispi) : i don't like 1 nt with XX♠ so i would bid 2♥

jec : i would bid 2♥

tez: 1 nt and never 2♣

sansar1905: 1nt

[billw55]

With the good honor quality, working tens, and lack of major suits, I open 1NT.

On the auction given, I rebid 2♣ IMPs, 1NT MPs.

[Fluffy]

I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible.

[caky_]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-06, 08:26, said:

I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible.

agree with u:)

[billw55]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-06, 08:26, said:

I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible.

Gosh, I didn't think it was *that* bad. Why so awful?

[jillybean]

billw55, on 2012-January-06, 07:20, said:

With the good honor quality, working tens, and lack of major suits, I open 1NT.

On the auction given, I rebid 2♣ IMPs, 1NT MPs.

I assume your nt range is 15-17 and you have decided to upgrade?

[ArtK78]

1NT rebid is clear. I would never upgrade this hand to a 1NT opening, and while I frequently raise a 1 of a major response to 2 on three cards, this is not the right hand for it.

[billw55]

jillybean, on 2012-January-06, 09:17, said:

I assume your nt range is 15-17 and you have decided to upgrade?

Yes. For the reasons given, and also to avoid this rebid question

Art - what sort of 14 count would you upgrade to 1NT? Any? 5 card suit mandatory? Just curious ...

[hrothgar]

caky_, on 2012-January-06, 05:05, said:

lets say U are playing 2/1 or sayc

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I am normally very aggressive about raising to 2M on three card support.
I would rebid 1NT on this hand for the following reasons

1. I have a small doubleton in Spades. Showing a fit in hearts could very well invite a spade balance which is the last think I want to hear. On the other hand, suppressing a Heart fit might allow us to declare 1NT

2. I'm very close to a 1NT opening. I have enough strength that NT and Hearts could produce the same number of tricks

3. I'd much rather have KTx or so in Hearts for the raise

[Fluffy]

billw55, on 2012-January-06, 09:11, said:

Gosh, I didn't think it was *that* bad. Why so awful?

To be honest, I never ever though of that

4-4 should never be treated as 2 suiter, there are exceptions as for everything, but they are in competition, never when opponents pass.

And towards this case: 1NT is a so good contract compared to 2m in general that when 1NT is a perfect option, thinking of 2m instead makes no sense. This is specially true at MPs.

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on 2012-January-06, 08:26, said:

I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible.

I don't see anything sick about 2♣. In fact, if RHO had doubled or bid 1♠, that 2♣ would probably be a better bid because it would allow pard to compete if LHO bids spades.

That being said, I would bid 1NT because stoppers are below shape/strength in bidding priorities. I would seriously consider 2♣ if RHO had acted.

[jmcw]

I have no problem raising with 3 card support. But,

I usually have 3 "good" trumps and a roughing value and if it's close a weakish 3rd suit.
This hand only meets 1 of my criteria for a 3 card raise, so its a pretty clear 1NT rebid

1NT = 10
2♥ = 6
2♣ = 2

[Phil]

Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago.

[jmcw]

Phil, on 2012-January-06, 11:12, said:

Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago.

The poll suggests otherwise

[Phil]

jmcw, on 2012-January-06, 11:52, said:

The poll suggests otherwise

If that helps you sleep better, then fantastic.

[ArtK78]

billw55, on 2012-January-06, 09:46, said:

Yes. For the reasons given, and also to avoid this rebid question

Art - what sort of 14 count would you upgrade to 1NT? Any? 5 card suit mandatory? Just curious ...

Yes, a 5 card suit would be mandatory before I would open a 14 count with a 15-17 1NT. But, even then, I would need a compelling reason.

I usually don't count an extra point for my doubleton when opening 1NT.

[billw55]

ArtK78, on 2012-January-06, 14:42, said:

Yes, a 5 card suit would be mandatory before I would open a 14 count with a 15-17 1NT. But, even then, I would need a compelling reason.

I usually don't count an extra point for my doubleton when opening 1NT.

Thanks Art.

I am still curious what would constitute a "compelling reason" - can you give a couple of example hands?

And of course I didn't add for the doubleton. I added for the excellent concentrated honor values and spots. All this seems like it should be worth 1 point despite the lack of a long suit.

For what it's worth, the K&R evaluator gives this hand a 14.95.

[whereagles]

Phil, on 2012-January-06, 11:12, said:

Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago.

Maybe it was, but then it was settled erroneously

[manudude03]

I'd bid 2H. I tend not to support with 3 card support and this shape, but AKJx and KQTx are excellent holdings. It's a more positive bid than 1NT and might just get you to the good 4Hs where partner might be passing 1NT (say xxx A9xxx xx AJx).