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Posted 2011-September-15, 11:12

all white

(3C)--3H--(5C)--???

Kxx
KJx
Axxxxx
K

Is it close ?
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Posted 2011-September-15, 11:31

What would 5♦ mean?

Natural or slam invite in hearts?
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Posted 2011-September-15, 12:08

6♥. Sometimes you just have to guess.
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Posted 2011-September-15, 12:42

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-September-15, 12:08, said:

6♥. Sometimes you just have to guess.

I try to avoid guessing all by myself if there is another possible action; I like 5D
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Posted 2011-September-15, 12:54

I don't see why 5♦ would be anything but natural. The 3♥ bid did not commit us to play in hearts.

So, it is really guessing time. I have a lot for partner, who should have a good hand given his immediate action over 3♣. I will guess 6♥, but I don't have a lot of confidence in that guess.
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Posted 2011-September-15, 13:25

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-September-15, 12:42, said:

I try to avoid guessing all by myself if there is another possible action; I like 5D


You'd be guessing what pard makes of it, which can turn out quite more embarassing :)
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Posted 2011-September-15, 13:35

3C-4H-5C-5D should be a good raise but this 5D should be natural. So we're stuck. I won't even attempt to make up my mind here, I just wanted to post about the difference between 3H and 4H.
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Posted 2011-September-15, 14:16

Agree that 5♦ is to play and I would just bid 5♥. Slam could make but is against the odds and partner can still bid it sometimes.
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Posted 2011-September-15, 14:23

5♥ seems canonical
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Posted 2011-September-15, 14:55

I don't see why people expect to make a slam. Partner is probably short in clubs too, so the empty spade and diamond suits may well produce a loser or two. In fact, AQx AQxxxx xxx x is a normal-looking 3♥ bid where we won't even make 5♥.

I'd double, assuming that's showing cards rather than just penalties. If partner leaves it in, we'll probably get 500; if he takes it out I'll settle for a game bonus.
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Posted 2011-September-15, 18:34

I was also trying to decide between doubling and bidding 5♥ and was a little surprised at so many slam 'tries'. I choose 5♥ here.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-September-15, 20:20

View PostFree, on 2011-September-15, 14:23, said:

5♥ seems canonical


Once again I agree with Nuno. Oh! Free has usurped the canonical term.
Seriously, just 5H. Why do you expect a slam to be there?
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Posted 2011-September-16, 01:12

View Posthrothgar, on 2011-September-15, 11:31, said:

What would 5♦ mean?

Natural or slam invite in hearts?


I am sure in BBO forums it could mean something other than natural for this specific hand and something else in an other thread on another day, i would not be surprised if someone writes a long analysis about why it shd show a hand like we hold. But unfortunately for those who plays bridge instead of writing sci-fi bridge analysis, it is natural.
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Posted 2011-September-16, 11:39

I would also double, I think our hand is just not that good.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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