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♠Kx
♥AKxxx
♦Qxx
♣QJx
Pa-2♦*(multi)-???
Say you take 2♦ as a 2♥ opening bid. So you Pass.
Pa-2♦*-Pa-3♥**(pass or correct)
Pa-3♠-???
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Multi issue How do you handle this?
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Posted 2011-August-04, 21:38
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2011-August-04, 22:44
If you take it as a 2♥ opening, what does double mean and what does 2♥ mean? One's takeout of hearts I suppose. What's the other?
I'm not passing 2♦. I'll either use the one of double/2♥ that isn't takeout of hearts if it's appropriate for my hand or, if not, bid 2NT.
I'm not passing 2♦. I'll either use the one of double/2♥ that isn't takeout of hearts if it's appropriate for my hand or, if not, bid 2NT.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 01:37
We've taken to using a simpler system over the multi than most people and would just overcall 2♥ nat on this or a 15-17 2N. Once in a very blue moon RHO has hearts or a big hand, but in reality he has a weak 2 in spades.
Pass is bad for the sort of reason shown by the decision you have now. What were you going to do over 2♦-2♥-2♠ ?
Pass is bad for the sort of reason shown by the decision you have now. What were you going to do over 2♦-2♥-2♠ ?
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Posted 2011-August-05, 01:46
I also like to play like this is a 2♥ opening. However, I always keep (2♦)-2♥ natural, so that you don't have to force to 3-level or higher but you are able to describe your hand early (when opps open 2♠ natural, you don't have that luxury). Here you can bid 2♥ or 2NT if you feel lucky, but I wouldn't pass 2♦!
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Posted 2011-August-05, 14:16
Hanoi5, on 2011-August-04, 21:38, said:
Both red, imp pairs
♠Kx
♥AKxxx
♦Qxx
♣QJx
♠Kx
♥AKxxx
♦Qxx
♣QJx
I like the Multi-defenses that start with a DBL = opening values with 5+ cards in one of the Majors:
p - ( 2D! ) - X - ( 3H! )
p - ( 3S ) - p - ( p )
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Now partner knows your Major is Hts with no extras and can go from here.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 15:48
I would not pass, that i am sure.
2NT or 2♥. I'd probably go with 2♥
2NT can miss ♥ fit true, but the guy on lead vs 2 or 3 NT can misguess his pd's major also. If i had better cards in ♠, despite my 5 card ♥ i would go for 2 NT. Still close decision, at least for me.
2NT or 2♥. I'd probably go with 2♥
2NT can miss ♥ fit true, but the guy on lead vs 2 or 3 NT can misguess his pd's major also. If i had better cards in ♠, despite my 5 card ♥ i would go for 2 NT. Still close decision, at least for me.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 16:31
IMO 2♥ as a natural bid is fine here, we play such a structure that 13+ hcp. hands always bid something over multi so that we dont get run over when advancer bid 3 level pass or correct bid.
2Nt 15-18 bal. and via dbl rest of the hands unsuitable for natural bid for 17+ hcp. non bal.hands or 13-14 bal. hands.
2Nt 15-18 bal. and via dbl rest of the hands unsuitable for natural bid for 17+ hcp. non bal.hands or 13-14 bal. hands.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 16:41
If you take 2♦ as a 2♥ bid I think the theory is to double spades next round if you have a goodish hand with hearts. I think we should do just that now.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2011-August-05, 18:21
For what it's worth, I hate defences which revolve around 1 suit (I'd go as far as saying I'd rather play stolen bid doubles....). You really need to be able to show a natural suit in their "presumed" suit or else this kind of problem arises all the time. Anyway, we have to get past this hand, I double.
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Posted 2011-August-06, 04:32
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-August-05, 14:16, said:
I like the Multi-defenses that start with a DBL = opening values with 5+ cards in one of the Majors:
Multi vs multi is surprisingly effective but suffers from a much higher memory load than most players are willing to take on for an occasional opponent.
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Posted 2011-August-06, 05:23
I play double of 2♦ shows either a takeout double against a weak two in ♠or a strong hand.
(With a takeout double against a weak two in ♥ we pass first and reopen later unless responder shows a strong hand. If responder preempts past the 3 level you know he must have spades too)
So I would double with this hand. A 2♥ over-call tends to show a slightly better suit.
Rainer Herrmann
(With a takeout double against a weak two in ♥ we pass first and reopen later unless responder shows a strong hand. If responder preempts past the 3 level you know he must have spades too)
So I would double with this hand. A 2♥ over-call tends to show a slightly better suit.
Rainer Herrmann
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