[nige1]

VM1973 wrote "Assess blame, if any."



IMO Apart from bad luck, you could blame West or sloppy methods.
A useful convention is that a 4th hand 3♠ opener shows a minimum opener with a (near) solid suit.
Failing that, West and East might improvise ...
- _P - 2♠ Minimum opener with 6+♠
- 2N - 3N Enquiry Solid suit

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[Aberlour10]

3S and would wait what happens, if they get to 4H and my feeling says its cold >>>4S non VUL it's max -500:) <<<<< as an example of non expert thinking hehe

[VM1973]

billw55, on 2011-August-04, 07:40, said:

Because when I hold a long minor and bid it, I am often outbid in a major. Here I have no reason to think I will be outbid, in fact every reason to think I can buy this hand at almost any contract I want.

Still, agree with VM1973 about thinking out of the box. It's an interesting idea that will work sometimes. Often enough to justify the risk of going minus when a plus score is almost completely secure? I am not sure.

Well, I think there are some problems with the idea, but I respect him for throwing it out there. It's worth discussing.

The first problem is it's the wrong scoring. This idea would be much more fruitful at MPs.

The second problem is your partner is quite likely to look at ♠xx and think, "I don't have one of the suits stopped" and bid 4♣ but this could be solved by prior discussion.

The third problem is your partner is a passed hand so really I think you should have something outside to make it more palatable.