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DO YOU TAKE THE DIVE?

#1 User is offline   fpancoe 

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Posted 2011-April-03, 14:39

Last hand of a 12 board online mp tourny. You are about 5th/100. nv vs v


LHO PARD RHO YOU
1S dbl 4s ?

x,xxxx,Q10,98xxxx
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Posted 2011-April-03, 15:11

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Posted 2011-April-03, 15:15

Welcome to the fora.

My take, maybe not the majority take, is that the on-line responder is not weak, but just has no agreed style. If he is weak, and the take-out doubler is strong, he will double again, and then I will suggest two places to play with 4NT. Even at favorable, I don't think I should bid directly, because pard will not know I am weak.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 05:41

Let me guess. This hand showed willing to 5-level,
BUT partner slammed into a hopeless contract.
I pass - even though I REALLY like my shape.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 09:29

No. Bidding shows a much better hand and more than a willingness to 'dive'.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 11:16

View Postfpancoe, on 2011-April-03, 14:39, said:

Last hand of a 12 board online mp tourny. You are about 5th/100. nv vs v
LHO PARD RHO YOU
1S dbl 4s ?
x,xxxx,Q10,98xxxx
A frequent and interesting problem, fpancoe. IMO with favourable vulnerability,
  • At Pairs (MP), 5♣ = 10, _P = 6.
  • At Teams (IMPs), _P = 10, 5♣ = 5..

Most of the time, partner will be too weak or hold too many spades to act over 4♠. Over half the time, however, I think we will be slightly better off bidding at at the five-level ourselves. Of course, this is a recipe for disaster if partner will expect more for this free-bid (as most would). At MP, however, IMO, your partnership should allow for weak actions like this.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 11:36

Not just now, thanks.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 12:01

P if you can do it in tempo B-)...
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Posted 2011-April-06, 06:26

View Postakhare, on 2011-April-04, 12:01, said:

P if you can do it in tempo B-)...

You can't pass in tempo, RHO used his stop card for his jump :P
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Posted 2011-April-06, 10:49

5c because opposite a minimum tox it should rarely go down
more than 3 and 4s is a huge favorite to make. This thinking
means a lot of 1 suited hands (with some power) will have to
choose x vs bidding the suit at 5 level. The weak hand (like
the one shown) will occur far more often than the strong one
and at IMPS especially it seems prudent to make sure opps do
no get a free vul game their way just because we are weak and
the TOX was minimum.
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Posted 2011-April-06, 20:29

View Postakhare, on 2011-April-04, 12:01, said:

P if you can do it in tempo B-)...

View PostFree, on 2011-April-06, 06:26, said:

You can't pass in tempo, RHO used his stop card for his jump :P
The purpose of the stop-card is to mandate a slower tempo :)
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