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We were playing the following system if there had not been a 2♦ bid (for better or worse):
X: MM or m
2m: M and the bid m
2M: natural
2NT: unusual (mm)
What would you bid here?
Edit: Thanks to wyman for providing a better view of the problem below.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 17:05
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Posted 2011-February-08, 18:54
2♥, a Michaels cuebid of responder's shown suit. Perfect hand for that method. 
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Posted 2011-February-08, 20:37
awm, on 2011-February-08, 18:54, said:
2♥, a Michaels cuebid of responder's shown suit. Perfect hand for that method.
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Posted 2011-February-08, 21:25
Funny, I had almost the exact same hand last weekend, didn't end well though, we wound up in 3♠ X -3, anyway yes 2♥ should be Michaels and is perfect for this hand.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 01:20
Why is everyone in agreement that 2♥ is Michaels? I think that it is much more popular to play it as just takeout.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 02:06
Vampyr, on 2011-February-24, 01:20, said:
Why is everyone in agreement that 2♥ is Michaels? I think that it is much more popular to play it as just takeout.
Probably because you could double (immediately?) for takeout.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 02:49
Vampyr, on 2011-February-24, 01:20, said:
Why is everyone in agreement that 2♥ is Michaels? I think that it is much more popular to play it as just takeout.
chasetb said:
Probably because you could double (immediately?) for takeout.
I think it's better to play either 2♥ or double as takeout.
However, most people seem to play that double shows diamonds, 2♥ is Michaels, and with a takeout double you pass initially. Here is a post which exlains why Fred thinks that's best:
http://www.bridgebas...lan/#entry52275
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Posted 2011-February-24, 03:05
chasetb, on 2011-February-24, 02:06, said:
Probably because you could double (immediately?) for takeout.
Many people play this as diamonds.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 06:24
I think this is a Pond issue. In America it seems to be relatively standard to play the immediate cue as Michaels. I know Fred has spoken up very strongly that this method is far superior to the alternative. In Britain it was popularised in the 80s to play the cue as a strong take-out and a delayed double as weak take-out and this is (arguably) still the default method there. If playing this British method the proper procedure is to Pass 2♦ and then to bid 2NT if/when 2♥ is passed back to you. This shows specifically the black suits as with diamonds and another you would have doubled initially. It is less important which method you play so much as agreeing it with partner.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 07:52
I have never found players using the micheals idea discussed here. We have always played bidding into transfer suit as a t/o.
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Posted 2011-March-04, 10:07
I echo that 2♥ as Michaels seems best, and I don't think it close.
As an aside, this came up not too long ago at the local club. My wife and I had not yet discussed this. The resulting auction was a piece of work:
Opener: 1NT (15-17, could have a five-card major)
Wife: Pass
Responder: 2♦ (transfer to hearts)
Me: 2♥
Opener: "What's 2♥?"
Wife: Not sure.
Opener: Double (With 2533 shape, we should set this.)
Wife: Pass
Responder: Pass
Me: 2♠ (Seems about right.)
Opener: [Hmmm. This seems weird. But, we are not vulnerable and Ken is vulnerable. So, Ken probably is telling the truth (WHAT THE F?????). Partner must have psyched.] 3NT
Wife: Pass
Responder: Pass
Me: Pass
The opening lead was a spade, and we took the first five tricks, planning to yield the rest. We ended up with one more somehow.
In the end, I did realize that a 5-5 heart fit is not that good if you still get a 5-0 split.
As an aside, this came up not too long ago at the local club. My wife and I had not yet discussed this. The resulting auction was a piece of work:
Opener: 1NT (15-17, could have a five-card major)
Wife: Pass
Responder: 2♦ (transfer to hearts)
Me: 2♥
Opener: "What's 2♥?"
Wife: Not sure.
Opener: Double (With 2533 shape, we should set this.)
Wife: Pass
Responder: Pass
Me: 2♠ (Seems about right.)
Opener: [Hmmm. This seems weird. But, we are not vulnerable and Ken is vulnerable. So, Ken probably is telling the truth (WHAT THE F?????). Partner must have psyched.] 3NT
Wife: Pass
Responder: Pass
Me: Pass
The opening lead was a spade, and we took the first five tricks, planning to yield the rest. We ended up with one more somehow.
In the end, I did realize that a 5-5 heart fit is not that good if you still get a 5-0 split.
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