[Hanoi5]

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1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

[Fluffy]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?

1♣cos I have enough to reverse

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.

I don't know your style

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)

Yes that's why I opened 1♣

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?

In hearts

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

5. What's your rebid as responder?

I'd bid 3♠ to show real willingness in spades but 2♠ is also fine

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?

Natural, 0435 and another unknown card, I'd obviously rebid 3♠

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

7. How do you take 4NT as opener?

Quantitative

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?

I'd take ♣K and pray for clubs 5-1

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

South full blame for playing in NT with 28 fitless combined

[mtvesuvius]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

1. I open 1♣. This is just enough to reverse.
2. I respond 1♠, but if your style is to bid 2♠ with these types of hands, so be it.
3. Yes (and Yes). If I was not planning to reverse I'd have opened 1♦
4. Hearts.
5. 2♠, not going to pre-empt the bidding in what could be our only chance to find the right strain for a slam.
6. 0445 or 0436 or 1435, shape-showing, not a cuebid of some sort.
7. Quantitative
8. I'd take Fluffy's line. K♣ and pray.
9. I believe that N's 6♦ call was a fairly big overbid. Partner has shown fairly long spades, and I don't think we want to attempt a slam when we've already shown our hand with a reverse (and 3♦ rebid). I would pass 4N. I give N 80% and South 20% for not being a bit more cautious in a known misfit.

[Bbradley62]

1. I open 1♣.
2. I respond 1♠. If we've discussed 2♠ as strong with solid or almost solid spades, then I hope we've discussed it enough to know whether or not this hand qualifies.
3. Yes (and Yes).
4. Hearts.
5. 2♠.
6. 0445 or 1435.
7. Quantitative.
8. At MP, win in hand and lose a spade assuring 11 tricks, hoping that others took the "pray" line or that ♥K is offside and I'm getting a few MP.
9. While there's wiggle room in some of the other bids, 6♦ is an error, as North shouldn't accept an invitation when he's got a bare minimum for his prior bidding. I blame North 100%.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 systemic question - 1C, I have 5 of those
#2 The first question to answer - do you want to force to game,
the answer is yes, ..., although the hand is certainly not worth
13HCP, I guess I would go with 1S, since after 2S, I am forced to
set spades as trumps.
#3 yes, and this is not related to #1
#4 2H, after 2D you lost hearts forever
#5 3S - showing the 6th spades, denying primary support for openers
suits
#6 I am a simple soul - FSF, I know North Americans encounter lost of 5440
hands, so they may treat 3D as nat., but there is hope, after 2S we are
not in a GF seq., so they may also think this to be FSF.
3NT - I have a diamond stopper
#7 this should be natural, but see my answers above, I would not be there
#8 abstain
#9 the displayed bidding agreements are not my style, and you would need to
talk a lot to me, that I agree to play those agreement set, but it gets
played, so ... until 4NT everythings was more or less ok, opener should
pass 4NT, responder gets some blame for bidding 4NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[wank]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

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1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

1) 1 club - i've got more of those
2) 1 spade - it depends how you define strong, but most people play a 'strong jump shift' to be stronger then this
3a) no. not for me. i'd rebid 2 clubs which I know many people on here consider to be disgusting, but it's only bad if it ends the bidding
4) if i was reversing, which i don't think i'm even close to strong enough for, obviously i'd get hearts in the auction.
5) 3S to set them as trumps
6) 0435+1
7) invitation in NTs
8) as per fluffy i'd be praying for 5-1 clubs
9) north 100%. first for reversing and secondly for accepting the invitation after over-bidding originally

[andy_h]

I agree all with Fluffy but in terms of responder's rebid over 2H I think 3S is clear (and don't like 2S). It doesn't seem like we want to belong in any other strain except my AQJ109x suit and using the 1S-2S-3S sequence sounds like not-so-good 6/7 card suit.

I'm a bit curious to Q6 though in which everyone except P_Marlowe has suggested it's shape showing. Do you guys play 2S as GF? If 2S is 5+S and forcing for one round then isn't 3D by opener used for (most) GF hands with a prototype hand being 2425 18 count with no diamond stopper?

[nige1]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

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IMO

• Open 1♣ = 10, 1♦ = 5.
• 1♠ = 10. 2♠ = 6.
• Opener is barely worth a reverse
• As a reverse, I prefer 2♥ to 2♦.
• Responder should rebid 3♦ = 10 unless 2♠ is forcing.
• Over 2♠, opener should pass (but I wouldn't have bid 2♠; over 3♦, opener could bid 3N). 3♦ by opener would be fourth suit, asking for a stop. Responder would reply 3N.
• 4N seems quantitative. 6♦ seems a suggestion as to an alternative resting place. Perhaps responder should pass 6♦ or bid 6♠
• Agree with Fluffy: ♣A (at trick one), ♦K, ♠AQ...
• Don't understand bidding so reluctant to assign blame.

[mike777]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

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1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

1c 1s and 2h are fine. I bid 3s now not 2s which would be weaker. Now north bids 3nt and south can pass.

[Phil]

1. I open 1♣
2. No comment
3. I reverse, and YES it has to do with opening 1♣ / 1♦. Are people really opening 1♣ with an ace less?
4. 2♥
5. 3]♠
6. Umm....anti-positional stop or suit. Actually its an art GF, so I better bid 2N.
7-9 - I've lost interest - sorry.

[Phil]

double post

[Poky]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-11, 02:57, said:

1. Do you open 1♣ or 1♦?
2. Do you respond 1♠ or 2♠? Assuming 2♠ is strong with solid or almost solid spades.
3. Do you reverse? (Is that closely related to Nº 1?)
4. Do you reverse in ♥ or ♦?
5. What's your rebid as responder?
6. How would you understand 3♦ by opener? What would your bid be then as responder?
7. How do you take 4NT as opener?
8. How would you play after ♣K lead and small ♦ swift?
9. ATB for this 2.5 out of 9 MP's.

1. 1♣
2. 1♠ (playing 2♠ as "strong" is a horrible treatment)
3. No, I rebid 2♣. Spade void + reverse aims for problems.
4. 2♦, if I must. Then I can follow: ...2♥-3♥-3NT-4♥, describing my hand perfectly.
5. 1♣-1♠-2♣-4♠-pass
9. North 35%, South 65%.

[Fluffy]

andy_h, on 2010-November-11, 21:12, said:

I'm a bit curious to Q6 though in which everyone except P_Marlowe has suggested it's shape showing. Do you guys play 2S as GF? If 2S is 5+S and forcing for one round then isn't 3D by opener used for (most) GF hands with a prototype hand being 2425 18 count with no diamond stopper?

In my opinion it is superior that 2NT shows 3+ diamonds and 3♦ shows the 2425 because it rightsides no trump contracts more often. However this is a bit "unnatural" to me, so must be agreed. I don't like to treat 1435 hands and 2425 hands with a stopper the same way, it is very bad for slam purposes.

[Phil]

andy_h, on 2010-November-11, 21:12, said:

I'm a bit curious to Q6 though in which everyone except P_Marlowe has suggested it's shape showing. Do you guys play 2S as GF? If 2S is 5+S and forcing for one round then isn't 3D by opener used for (most) GF hands with a prototype hand being 2425 18 count with no diamond stopper?

Not me, although an 18 would be at the very low end.

[MrAce]

1-I open 1♦, it's a borderline decision to make reverse or not, void in partner's suit. Misfit hands requires very good spots texture, i do not have that either. 1♣ -1♠-2♣ limit is upto 16 hcp, 1♦-1♠-2♣ is upto 17 or bad 18, why would i need to reverse ? Do i really want to make space consuming bids with void in partner's suit ? with less than required hcp strength for some players and for others at the bottom of range ? I don't.

For the play i take ♣king in imps.

2-1♠

5-3♠

[Hanoi5]

MrAce, on 2010-November-13, 00:27, said:

1-I open 1♦, it's a borderline decision to make reverse or not, void in partner's suit. Misfit hands requires very good spots texture, i do not have that either. 1♣ -1♠-2♣ limit is upto 16 hcp, 1♦-1♠-2♣ is upto 17 or bad 18, why would i need to reverse ? Do i really want to make space consuming bids with void in partner's suit ? with less than required hcp strength for some players and for others at the bottom of range ? I don't.

How do you know it's partner's suit before hearing his response to your opening? And how do you know that even though he has spades he doesn't have hearts? Or diamonds? Or clubs? Do you prefer to be dummy with that hand?

I now realize that there might be styles where the reverse is 18+, so it all could be a matter of agreement. The 2♠ bid (at the first or second turn) is also a matter of agreement. My biggest mistake though was bidding over 4NT, which I took as KC.

[peachy]

If opener just passes 4NT (which cannot be ace-asking since no trump suit has been agreed), things look a bit better. Responder should bid 1S because that hand is not strong enough for a 2S bid, using nearly any criteria for evaluation of "strong". And then rebid 3S, seriously suggesting spades be trump.

Misfits typically take fewer tricks than the combined HCP would indicate. Proceed with caution and take conservastive view.

[kayin801]

1♣-1♠-2♥-3♠-3NT-P

I don't mind 2♠ since it keeps the auction lower, but I feel 3♠ shows this hand. I hate 4NT over 3♦ in the auction, 3♠ is a much better bid, and now opener can stop short in 3NT to show no more interest.

[MrAce]

Hanoi5, on 2010-November-13, 04:11, said:

How do you know it's partner's suit before hearing his response to your opening? And how do you know that even though he has spades he doesn't have hearts? Or diamonds? Or clubs? Do you prefer to be dummy with that hand?

I now realize that there might be styles where the reverse is 18+, so it all could be a matter of agreement. The 2♠ bid (at the first or second turn) is also a matter of agreement. My biggest mistake though was bidding over 4NT, which I took as KC.

I don't know, but 1♠ is likely response from partner, each time i have this hand (i had it really a lot) pd bids ♠, if he bids 1♥ or 2♣ i won't have much problem. Lets say i am not as optimistic as you are

If you look at the answers of some people above, they say " 1♣ BECAUSE i have enuf to reverse. That indicates they would open 1♦ if they decided this hand is not good enuf for reverse. B4 i make a bid, it is my style to check what am i putting myself into vs partner's likely responses.

I agree its a matter of style the reverse range, to me it is 17 + with hands that does not have very rich spots or self sufficient suit.I do not have it. I am not saying opening 1♣ or reverse is wrong. It just happened to me so many times when especially ♠ suit is void, and i took my lesson the hard way. Some others may have experienced different than i do, which i respect their choice.