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#1 User is offline   keylime 

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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:05

You are playing with your favorite partner, MPs, in 2nd seat red vs. white, and you are dealt this fine hand:

void
AKQJT9x
Kxx
JTx

Of course, RHO opens 3. After your 4 call, LHO bids 4. Partner doubles.

What do you do, and why? You have 4NT as your disposal for either two places to play, or a good heart hand, as well as normal things.

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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:15

Is the panel supposed to make a call or make a blame?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:50

Call first, and then we'll get to the blame. A two-parter.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 19:13

i bid 5 ptn showin general values ( with a real pen he should pass and hope i dbl on gnrl values), freq is more often than some kind of pen pass. May be good good may be wrong: bottom line no one to blame for a bad result congrats your opps with courtesy.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 02:14

i stand the double. i don't see how my hand is so different from what partner would expect on this auction
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Posted 2010-October-23, 03:41

5, we are vul so I don't think we have any extras, but we have high ODR that's for sure.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 06:27

5. Partner didn't make a penalty double, at least not in my mind. If I had to guess, I'd say partner has a penalty double.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 06:38

5H
oh dee arrrrr (& vul)
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Posted 2010-October-23, 07:02

4NT then 5. Nice to have this treatment available. I like to encourage a raise from partner - I think this hand is strong enough with the spade void and solid suit.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 07:17

I take Double at high levels to show up-values but 2xS-losers. I choose 4NT to hear partner's minor, then 5H.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 08:20

View Postwank, on 2010-October-23, 02:14, said:

i stand the double. i don't see how my hand is so different from what partner would expect on this auction

I agree.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 19:30

5H for me... Not enough to encourage partner too much, partner should know what's right after this... With xxx x AQxxx KQxx I would think they would find a raise.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 19:52

5, and if you're not going to bid 5 you should pass (which is way worse than 5. Why would I bid 4NT when I only have any interest in playing in one strain? I don't think we have enough extra to bid 4NT then 5, even with the spade void.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2010-October-24, 01:56

4NT

Partner is showing general values outside of . With only values he should not dbl. Opposite this hand partner will almost never have enough to bid 5 directly, because of no values in and losers. Partner might have xx xx AQJxx Axxx

If partner had bid 5 you should have invited a grand with 5
Passing the DBL is a big error in judgment and though 5 is much better it is still a poor bid. If you held a singleton instead of a minor card, 5 would be right. If 6 is lay-down partner will pass a direct 5 arguing rightly that he showed his values by his double.
If partner later raises a delayed 5 to 6 I doubt that it will have no play.

Partner should reflect that your strength is still somewhat limited by your initial 4, since you neither doubled and then bid nor jumped to 5 directly over 3
You have a close decision if partner bids 5 over 4NT, but I would raise.


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Posted 2010-October-24, 04:07

I also think it's good enough for 4n..5. I don't think partner should raise an immediate 5 with the hand vesuvius gave.
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