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Interpretation of double

#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2010-October-22, 17:44

I don't remember your hand, but hopefully it shouldn't matter.

Bidding goes

1H P 2D 2S
P P 3D X

How do you understand the x?
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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:11

Do you remember vulnerability though?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:18

Game all, I think, possibly green to the doubler.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 18:23

I would say that double certainly brings clubs into picture, the doubler should have at least 11 cards in black suits. What system does opponents play? Does 2♦ set up a game force?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-22, 19:01

i really hate this prob: you dont give opps bidding agreements, you dont give my hand. It all doesnt make sense: no 2Nt by prtn na dia support by opps no 3ha by opps: prtn weak with a lot of spades and soem vlubs is he an idiot?? it all doesnt count up only 6 very good 6sp and 4c and opps playing 2 d nf make sense to me
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Posted 2010-October-22, 19:04

2♠ bid with extra playing strength. We are not going to play 4♣ here very often, but maybe we can find 4♠ or 3♦x
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Posted 2010-October-22, 19:32

2D wasn't gf, nor was 3D. Hand was played in a casual setting, so opps didn't have much sophistication to their bidding, nor did we.
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Posted 2010-October-22, 21:02

View PostJinksy, on 2010-October-22, 19:32, said:

2D wasn't gf, nor was 3D. Hand was played in a casual setting, so opps didn't have much sophistication to their bidding, nor did we.

Then maybe partner does have good hand and shape. In any case, X is not penalty, and it should imply secondary club suit (and at least 6 spades).
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-23, 00:27

View PostRJWP, on 2010-October-22, 19:01, said:

i really hate this prob: you dont give opps bidding agreements, you dont give my hand. It all doesnt make sense: no 2Nt by prtn na dia support by opps no 3ha by opps: prtn weak with a lot of spades and soem vlubs is he an idiot?? it all doesnt count up only 6 very good 6sp and 4c and opps playing 2 d nf make sense to me

Do you have different bidding agreements depending on what your partner holds? :unsure: My hand doesn't matter because partner doesn't know what I hold when he Doubles! The bidding agreements would be nice, but unless specified we consider sayc.

For me this Dbl is takeout oriented, so it shows extra's.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 03:40

Bid a suit then double, this always shows the same, a ton of playing strenght. On this bidding it is of the semi-balanced type because he also has 3♠ for the more shapy strenght. A 6322 with 18 scattered HCP (about the half on red cards) its the book bid.
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Posted 2010-October-23, 04:10

I think it shows 6-4 or longer in the black suits. Being able to show clubs seems more useful than distinguishing between different types of 3♠ bid.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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